And I even know to just tank the enemy minions to freeze the lane in a good place =P I may still suck, but I know what I'm TRYING to do!

if one of my laners dies, i always push the next wave (assuming the enemy laner had to back or died also... in order to deny him the creeps at tower)

whether or not i stop pushing the lane when they start pinging me depends on my mood

I just push raffy's lane regardless. It's fun listening to him in vent.

I remember when I played Mundo as jungle main, I would purposely leave my ae fire on for like 2-3 seconds in the middle of a wave, and then I would leave.

It should never depend on your mood. It depends on the situation. In the situation you describe, shoving is the correct play.

What does depend on my mood when a dead laner pings me to stop shoving his lane is whether or not I laugh at him in chat.

thats incorrect when lane is pushing its best is to hold outside tower, and if can only push it half way up you basically lost an even lane for your laner.

Well, yeah. But that's not what I said. Or rather what Karak said. He said pushing to tower. Not halfway up. Of course I'm not going to halfway push up a lane while my laner is dead.

thats why i dont play top lane

creep mechanics too hard

Idk I'm starting to become a pretty moody jungler. Also relevant is how many times they ping me. If it's an aggro spam ping, that may just rustle my jimmies.

This question will ruin any credibility I have of trying to remove my newb status.

If I'm playing support Thresh, should I have AD marks or magic pen marks with AP quints?

His E, which I max first does magic damage, but his auto is AD.

YES! LET THE TOXICITY FLOW THROUGH YOU! IT MAKES YOU STRONGER!!!! =P

pushing to tower is only correct maybe 60% of the time. you should watch some wickd solo que he talks about lane control pretty much every game. its very important to move the creeps to the correct place for top lane and bot. mid lane you should push to tower 90% sure

I use AD marks, gold quints, armor seals, and scaling MR glyphs. I don't think it's a newb question at all.

Whichever thread, and whoever mentioned Rumble, thank you. 17/4/4 (normal blind newb fest). Then went good but humbling 6/7/10 in draft game. He's fun and really good if have support/ganks

Question about team fighting with assassin type champs:

I have been playing a lot of Aatrox (though I imagine this question would be just as valid for say Rengar, Kha'zix, etc.), and I find that I can do really well early lane/farming but am not totally sure what I should be doing in team fights. I find my usual role is try to engage towards the end and do a lot of damage once enemy team is low, that is where I seem to be most successful.

The problem is that this only works if my team can engage well and actually get fights started. I keep finding that, unless we are ahead or can catch them off guard, my role in defensive team fights is to poke and hope someone overextends because I get shredded if I engage at all. Is this normal and just one of the prices you pay for being an assassin type champ or is there some other aspect of team fighting that I should be focused on?

Totally unrelated question, when would you ever buy cloth armor over doran's shield? The only situation I can think of is if you were rushing ninja tabi or some other item that ca builds into, but not sure if I'm missing something about armor vs. damage prevention.

You want the cloth armor (and the more health potions that go with it) against the champions that can chunk you. If you lose too much health and they might be able to kill you, you'll need to back which isn't good. I'd consider cloth and pots the default vs melee AD tops, but especially a caster like Pantheon.

Doran's shield takes the sting off some poke and can help you sustain through some light harass. I'd consider this the better option versus a Gangplank or a Vayne.

Does the armor from cloth armor really mitigate so much more damage than the 8 prevented by doran's shield that it is much better than the bonus life+regen?

for top lane cloth 5 is a brawling item, its something you get if you plan on fighting/all in sometime before your first back

I run move speed quints and ability power reds. I dont think AD reds are a bad choice though.

i run hybrid pen reds on thresh but i haven't done any math or anything

if you're running AP quints i would guess mpen is better for reds, but i wouldn't run AP quints. AD is probably better if you just want to do damage. And then you'd probably want hybrid or mpen reds. I generally run gold quints although i'm not sure that's optimal.

Thresh can't farm well enough to be in Hamkels' consideration.

The shield is definitely a stronger item, so I often take it, but in some cases you could be forced back too quickly where it's not the best starting item. There are a lot of jungle/top matchups where you don't want to start with no ward or only one pot. Cloth Armor allows a faster path to Ninja Tabi or Warden's Mail which are very nice on a lot of champs also.

Health quints on Thresh is pretty good also

Just use AD marks, play super aggro with Thresh and control the bush. Poke the enemy ADC with your auto attack whenever they go up to last hit a minion. Your AD will thank you.

A lot of Thresh's power comes from his high health. A lot of people make this mistake with Blitzcrank too -- you don't need to make the Madlife grabs to win lanes. You just need to be a threat and zone properly. Controlling brush and space limits the places that the opponent can position safely, which will naturally create easier grab opportunities. Their higher health allows them to sacrifice HP for better positioning. If the AD tries to trade with you, he will get the worse end of the deal.

i try to watch LOL on twitch but never know what's going on. cliffs?