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Old 02-19-2012, 06:51 PM   #176
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Re: Beginners guitar corner.

where'd you take it mang?
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:20 AM   #177
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This is a good thing imo. You'll have fewer tuning problems and can mess around with alternate tunings with more ease.

Every tremolo on a beginner's guitar should be set up this way.
tbh i never use it. i haven't even put the bar back on since getting it back. might just leave it off.
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Here ya go Jmitchell42 this one is mine
zomg! that looks a lot like mine. different pickups and bridge for sure. what kind of bridge is that, it is nice.
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where'd you take it mang?
graner music. i have been taking instruments there for years. since i was in high school or before.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:16 AM   #178
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Re: Beginners guitar corner.

what and the guy was still a knob? pretty disappointing

no one gets customer service these days - or it's ****ing rare
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:02 AM   #179
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what and the guy was still a knob? pretty disappointing

no one gets customer service these days - or it's ****ing rare
i hadn't dealt with the guitar guy all that time. i was a brass player and went to a different graner (there are two in town) most of the time. it is a really teacher/student friendly place. this guy is definitely not student friendly for sure.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:10 AM   #180
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To send him on über tilt, you shoulda said it seems like he has a case of the Mondays
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:37 PM   #181
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Re: Beginners guitar corner.

Don't really know where to put this, but I guess this is the thread where most guitar players post so here goes...

I used to play guitar for 10+ years but hardly touch my guitar these days. I started with classical music, studied/played it in an academy and therefore it is what I do/did best and also what I enjoy the most. I have also played some riffs from songs I liked (as has every guitar player I guess), but nothing really advanced re: modern/pop music.

Now I think it would be cool to play a (love) song during my wedding ceremony. That's great and all, except .. I have no idea what to play. I was thinking of 'Romance Anonyme' (jeux interdits), which is fairly easy/romantic/recognizable, but just wondering if there are some other suggestions from other guitar players.
Modern pop/rock music suggestions are highly welcomed, as these songs are generally more recognizable, but it should be guitar-only versions (so I guess not simply the chords/tunes that are actually played by the band, but also a guitar version of the lyrics), as my singing is simply horrendous. I remember playing a great version of 'Tears in Heaven' like that, but that's not really appropriate for a wedding obv

So, please, shoot me some suggestions Difficulty level shouldn't really be an issue I hope, I used to be pretty good and I still have plenty of time to practice.
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:22 PM   #182
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i hadn't dealt with the guitar guy all that time. i was a brass player and went to a different graner (there are two in town) most of the time. it is a really teacher/student friendly place. this guy is definitely not student friendly for sure.
ymmv, but from what I've seen, you may have more luck just going to a straight guitar store. My home town has a 'brass/piano/guitar/etc' type store, and everything is insanely expensive, everyone working there is very snooty.

Then there are the guitar stores where you can get many repairs for under ten bucks, they'll let you watch/explain what they're doing and why, and genuinely like getting to talk about the instruments they love.

just my experience, though
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:24 PM   #183
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So, please, shoot me some suggestions Difficulty level shouldn't really be an issue I hope, I used to be pretty good and I still have plenty of time to practice.
If you want contemporary, try Lady Gaga's "I like it in the butt, but I swear I don't have a penis, no really, I promise". Brings tears to my eyes every time.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:29 PM   #184
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ymmv, but from what I've seen, you may have more luck just going to a straight guitar store. My home town has a 'brass/piano/guitar/etc' type store, and everything is insanely expensive, everyone working there is very snooty.

Then there are the guitar stores where you can get many repairs for under ten bucks, they'll let you watch/explain what they're doing and why, and genuinely like getting to talk about the instruments they love.

just my experience, though
might do that. not that still don't like graner. they are one of the best stores for students and usually super friendly. the set up with strings was only $40 which is pretty good i think. i would like to watch someone work on a guitar though so i can learn it. i def learn easier that way.
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:00 AM   #185
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I locked down the trems on 2 of my 3 Strats pretty tight. The new one was built and set up that way, but the other sounds a little better for whatever reason after doing that. I have all 5 springs on and tried all kind of combinations, not my imagination, it just sounds better so that's way so I left it.

It's actually one of my two favorites. Started out as a very ordinary '07 MIM Strat with a maple neck, fairly heavy body, and has had pickups swapped out 5 or 6 times. I put a rosewood/maple Warmoth neck with an Earvana on it and it plays better than any other one I have. Eventually I settled on a simple EMG-SA in the neck and an 85 in the bridge with a 3-way switch, one tone one volume. I use it for everything heavy in standard tuning or dropped D and it's perfect. It blends well with an LP going 80% hard left/right too.

But back to the bridge subject: it's nice to have at least one good guitar with a nice trem equipped that you can rely on. The floating Floyds, Schallers and the Ibby Edge Pros are the tools of choice for the more extreme stuff imo, but I prefer more subtle use that you can get out of a Wilkinson or newer American Strat type, or a more elaborate Bigsby setup. Divebombing like you're Mick Mars sounds kinda dated to me personally and the market is flooded with PITA cheap trems that cause all kinds of headaches.

While you're learning it's probably just as well to leave the bar out. Vai and a couple guys really have the thing down to the point where they can bend up or down to pitch precisely and sound great, but they're the exceptions.

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Old 02-22-2012, 02:23 AM   #186
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zomg! that looks a lot like mine. different pickups and bridge for sure.
I dont know if you could see the neck, it's a G&L.
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what kind of bridge is that, it is nice.
I'm not sure tbh. It's not floyd rose, I think it's the standard strat trem.
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:53 AM   #187
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I dont know if you could see the neck, it's a G&L. I'm not sure tbh. It's not floyd rose, I think it's the standard strat trem.
i don't know what that is.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:34 AM   #188
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After Leo Fender sold the Fender guitar company he eventually started G&L guitars with George Fullerton, the guy who innovated techniques for mass production of solid body guitars with Fender, hence the name "G&L."

My favorite G&L axe is Jerry Cantrell's Signature Blue Dress Rampage:
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:43 AM   #189
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you'd think they'd have a different transfer done up for the one on the back (no pickups there people!) so she didn't look like she had a hip and part of her leg missing.
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:14 PM   #190
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that guitar is sweet! One thing I don't understand is why would he only want the bridge pick-up? If I was to request that guitar I would want a 24 fret neck, or more pick-ups. but I guess it wasn't an option or he really didn't care that much about upper fret access. Having only the bridge pick-up kinda defeats the purpose of getting a strat. Non-angled neck, 22 frets (which places the neck pick up under the harmonics) single coils, this is all to get that liquid like sound that Hendrix made popular. Not to go the other way and get crunchy distortion which can be done by adding the humbucker instead of a single coil on the bridge. (keep at least the neck single coil for gods sake)
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:43 PM   #191
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that guitar is sweet! One thing I don't understand is why would he only want the bridge pick-up? If I was to request that guitar I would want a 24 fret neck, or more pick-ups. but I guess it wasn't an option or he really didn't care that much about upper fret access. Having only the bridge pick-up kinda defeats the purpose of getting a strat. Non-angled neck, 22 frets (which places the neck pick up under the harmonics) single coils, this is all to get that liquid like sound that Hendrix made popular. Not to go the other way and get crunchy distortion which can be done by adding the humbucker instead of a single coil on the bridge. (keep at least the neck single coil for gods sake)
Dude, it's a metal guitar, not a strat - bridge pickup and volume is all you need (and it's all he uses, thus the design). When was the last time you saw Jerry Cantrell play the 23rd or 24th frets?

Any harmonic that can be obtained between the 12th fret and bridge is mirrored between the 12th fret and nut, so harmonics produced above the 12th fret are a matter of convenience only (and you don't need a fret to produce a harmonic anyway - just a string).
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:55 PM   #192
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I wouldn't say Jerry Cantrell plays metal imo
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Old 02-22-2012, 06:26 PM   #193
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I wouldn't say Jerry Cantrell plays metal imo
Neither would I.
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Old 02-22-2012, 06:48 PM   #194
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Speaking of metal, any new people looking to take up guitar and want something heavier sounding might want to jump on this deal while it lasts. Mahogany ibanez with fixed bridge and & active pickups. You could use as is or as a platform for better active pickups and other upgrades later. Full 25.5" scale, humbucking pickups. Decent setup for heavier music if you wanted to tune down or something.

I hear Musician's Friend will price match 110%, but I think time is a factor with this one.

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Old 02-22-2012, 06:58 PM   #195
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Jerry Cantrell is more heavy rock. I kind of like how guitars sound like that even with heavier music.

I swear for years I could never get a JB pickup to sound good, even through a good amp. I wondered how he and the Tool guy managed to. Then one day it hit me; it's how it blends in the mix that counts and it does that very well. But if I'm just jamming by myself it still seems a little off sounding today. Throw some bass and drums behind it and it's a beast.

I rarely use the neck pickup myself unless I'm doing the white man blues thing. In fact the Tool guy doesn't either, and he gave me the idea to switch my LP volume control to the one closest to my right hand since that's the only knob we ever tend to use.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:21 PM   #196
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Dude, it's a metal guitar, not a strat - bridge pickup and volume is all you need (and it's all he uses, thus the design). When was the last time you saw Jerry Cantrell play the 23rd or 24th frets?
I know that's the point I was making. It is a strat converted to a metal guitar which is dumb. Metal heads shred, so having upper fret access is a plus. Also the necks on strats are not angled which fattens your tone but ruins your sustain.

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Any harmonic that can be obtained between the 12th fret and bridge is mirrored between the 12th fret and nut, so harmonics produced above the 12th fret are a matter of convenience only (and you don't need a fret to produce a harmonic anyway - just a string).
I think you misunderstood me, by having a 22 fret neck it places the neck pick up over the 24th fret harmonics which changes the tone that is picked up. Play a 22 fret strat on the neck pick up then play a 24 fret strat with the neck pick up, you'll see what I mean.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:28 PM   #197
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man talkin about pickups, I used to always think single coils sucked cause I was into heavy music and tons and tons of gain and was like man **** this hum, single coils suck, but these ****ing texas specials are some of the best pickups I've ever owned imo. They sound great with a lot of gain too. They ****ing scream with the fuzz face. Really great pickups imo.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:35 PM   #198
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I rarely use the neck pickup myself unless I'm doing the white man blues thing.
Why not? It doesn't have to be in a blues context. It's just sound texture, you should use it more. It sounds great with pretty much any clean tone lines. If you have a static pick position (always pick in the same place) then your not exploring sound textures enough. A little style I like to use is mixing in Asian sounding music by switching to bridge pick up and picking right next to the bridge. (use pentatonic for more authentic sound) Music is like food, texture changes the dish for better or worse even though the ingredients are the same.
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I naturally pick everything up by the neck, like above the neck pickup and even up above it some.


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I can play back further towards the middle or bridge pickups, but that's just natural for me.

I use the neck pickup mainly just when I use my octavia imo. Neck, neck and middle. On my strat I use the bridge and middle position quite a bit cause I get the hum canceling.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:27 PM   #200
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Why not? It doesn't have to be in a blues context. It's just sound texture, you should use it more. It sounds great with pretty much any clean tone lines. If you have a static pick position (always pick in the same place) then your not exploring sound textures enough. A little style I like to use is mixing in Asian sounding music by switching to bridge pick up and picking right next to the bridge. (use pentatonic for more authentic sound) Music is like food, texture changes the dish for better or worse even though the ingredients are the same.
Thanks and all but after playing for 23 years I've got my preferences pretty well worked out. Once I started playing mostly LPs I just found the brighter sound & higher attack works perfectly against the thicker sound of the guitar. I still use the neck on occasion of course but it's 90/10. Goes with what I play and what I think my guitar should sound like. And then there's all the other things I figured out like my preference for the 25.5" scale over the standard Gibby scale, neck radius and shape, and so on. Went through a lot of guitars to figure it out.

Strats (normal ones anyway) are a different case for me, neck or neck+mid works really well, the bridge is hit or miss and takes some managing. I have one guitar for surf type stuff with 54s which works perfectly though, but that's all I like using it for. I was actually just thinking about building one with the bridge pickup moved up toward the neck. I had one that had the bridge pickup angle reversed and I thought it better on the higher strings, it made even a CS 69 bridge sound decent (love them in the neck, hate them in the bridge).
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