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I've played very little with you, though we play the same stakes. Actually I just looked and I haven't played you at all, just seen you around. I'm up a thousand points on Wart though.

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03-12-2015 , 05:14 AM

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Sev

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Haven't checked on this thread in a while but I see you mentioning places to play. I only use playpineapple app right now.

Where can I play online for cash (I'm UK based).

Cheers

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03-12-2015 , 05:38 PM

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B3RTstare

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Anyone wanna play on one of the apps? Open to anything from $0.50-$50/pt

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03-13-2015 , 09:49 PM

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OFC_OMG

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Originally Posted by Sev

Haven't checked on this thread in a while but I see you mentioning places to play. I only use playpineapple app right now.

Where can I play online for cash (I'm UK based).

Cheers

TonyBet, swcpoker.eu, Gambler Games

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03-14-2015 , 05:53 AM

#2431

Sev

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Originally Posted by OFC_OMG

TonyBet, swcpoker.eu, Gambler Games

Thanking you kindly

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03-14-2015 , 01:31 PM

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TimM

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Originally Posted by ActionDJ

I would recommend the tactics trainer at www.openfacesolutions.com You get 5 free a day or can subscribe to get more.

Is this using QQ fantasy? I was thinking KK.

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03-14-2015 , 07:40 PM

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ActionDJ

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Qq fantasyland is the standard across most apps and sites. Valued at 7.5 points in the simulator.

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03-15-2015 , 05:04 PM

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Tapirboy

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Wondering if anyone has a reasonable estimate of what percentage of sets are committed to less than a full house. Seems like this might be a useful thing to know when making close decisions in fantasyland.

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03-15-2015 , 09:06 PM

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OFC_OMG

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Can you give an example?

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03-15-2015 , 11:21 PM

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Tapirboy

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Basically any three, four, or five to a flush or straight.

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03-17-2015 , 11:58 AM

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sgcn

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Does anyone know the likelihood of a foul during 14-card FL in 2-7 Pineapple?

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03-17-2015 , 03:22 PM

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riverdance

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Anecdotally, about 10%

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03-17-2015 , 06:33 PM

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sgcn

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That's close to my own experience. I guess that makes up for it being easier to make. I probably foul 10% more often in hi-only trying for the FL anyway, but maybe that's a leak.

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03-19-2015 , 11:46 AM

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ActionDJ

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Originally Posted by Tapirboy

Great question. I'd love to know too.

We are looking into creating a std. Deviation on the fantasyland side, so that we can create a solo simulator. Will have to do the opposite too, but generally fantasyland is pretty straight forward, so its a low priority.

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03-20-2015 , 01:08 PM

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OFC_OMG

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Originally Posted by ActionDJ

What this game needs is a podcast lol

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03-20-2015 , 08:47 PM

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TimM

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Anyone do any thinking about bankroll requirements for OFCp?

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03-20-2015 , 09:33 PM

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Tapirboy

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Not really thinking, but a thousand points feels like it's in the neighborhood of half Kelly to me.

Edit: I should add that I play HU exclusively and almost all AA. If you play three-handed QQ the number will be much higher.

Last edited by Tapirboy; 03-20-2015 at 09:48 PM.

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03-21-2015 , 11:20 AM

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TimM

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I'm playing mostly 3 handed KK, with a little HU KK mixed in.

I imported the results of 95 hands into excel and got an SD of ~16 pts/hand. It converged fairly quickly so I can assume that is accurate. Obviously can't be confident in win rates with this few hands, so I made a chart:

Code:

WR	SD	Kelly BR
0.25	16.0	1024.0
0.50	16.0	512.0
0.75	16.0	341.3
1.00	16.0	256.0
1.25	16.0	204.8
1.50	16.0	170.7
1.75	16.0	146.3
2.00	16.0	128.0

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03-21-2015 , 12:09 PM

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Tapirboy

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I really doubt that SD, but I don't have individual hand tracking. Are you counting fantasylands as all part of the same hand?

Edit: though when I run my own session numbers, I get Kelly of 202. So maybe you're reasonably close. It's still not remotely practical to play with 202 points.

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03-21-2015 , 12:31 PM

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TimM

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No, separate hands.

Definitely not practical to play full Kelly. If you start with a full Kelly BR and play and unlimited number of hands and never change stakes, the risk of ruin is over 13%, vs about 1.6% for half Kelly.

Playing with 1000 point BR and taking some shots at the next level seems reasonably conservative.

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03-21-2015 , 12:38 PM

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Tapirboy

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Pretty sure fantasylands should all be considered part of the same hand since you can't leave in the middle.

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03-21-2015 , 01:22 PM

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TimM

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That's true, but complicated, especially three handed when a different player makes FL during one player's FL, and it can go back and forth. Just trying to get a very rough idea. Ultimately I'd want to see WR and SD per hour, so I like treating them separately.

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03-21-2015 , 03:20 PM

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ActionDJ

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That is some great data. See if you can't add a little more to the sample sizes and I will use it in my next article for cardplayer, if that is ok with you.