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11-16-2013 , 03:53 PM
Q/AK/88 not close
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11-17-2013 , 12:09 AM
UTG Criss Cross w/ FL

A A 9 K Q


Q/K9/AA ?
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11-17-2013 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Duck Rabbit
UTG Criss Cross w/ FL

A A 9 K Q


Q/K9/AA ?
Initial reaction is Q-K-AA9
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11-17-2013 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LVpokerPRO
Q-K-AA9
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11-17-2013 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FlatTireSuited
That is a far different mindset than your previous post seemed to imply. I could easily see this being entirely correct; I don't know what the line is either, I think two connected, when all of its pair cards are also live, is sufficient.

Your earlier post, at least the way it seemed to me, was suggesting that you wouldn't do something like 86ss/AA/K, which is laughable.

Also, what are you using as the royalty bonus for making fantasyland? Obviously simply giving the player the 7 pt royalty isn't enough. Do you just simulate the next hand and have a way to set normal chinese hands so they maximize their ofc fantasyland value? Or just have a set payout?
I highly recommend doing what I did: Play yourself headsup for a couple hundred, one player in FL, the other not. Record the result. Over 200 hands FL is somewhere between 11 and 13. So obviously I will just add another 11.5 or 12 points when FL is hit. I will continue to refine the number when I get some more time to play myself.
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11-17-2013 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
Seems like there are some options here.



Leaning towards 8/7J/AT
I like your initial set. I am not a big fan of gutshots.
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11-17-2013 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck Rabbit
HU UTG FL:

A 8 K Q 8

How are you setting?
Why not kq/a/88
???
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11-17-2013 , 05:15 PM
How would you set
Kd 9d Ah Kh 9c

Two pair on bottom ace in middle or is there a better play?
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11-17-2013 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dustin D1
How would you set
Kd 9d Ah Kh 9c

Two pair on bottom ace in middle or is there a better play?
That's how I play it. Good draw to boat royalties on bottom and still live for FL.
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11-17-2013 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dustin D1
How would you set
Kd 9d Ah Kh 9c

Two pair on bottom ace in middle or is there a better play?
pretty close between that and 99/A/KK with 1st live card going on bottom. (99 is bottom obv)
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11-17-2013 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dustin D1
How would you set
Kd 9d Ah Kh 9c

Two pair on bottom ace in middle or is there a better play?
This is such a tough problem, I don't think anyone can give a definitive answer. Here are the front runner options in my personal order of what I think is best:
<-top
/A/kk99
Kk/a/99
A/kk/99
/kk/99a
A/99/kk
99/kk/a

This is the exact problem I plan to solve with my ev calculator, because I think that is the only way to find out the best answer. We are getting close: www.solvingofc.com
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11-17-2013 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dustin D1
How would you set
Kd 9d Ah Kh 9c

Two pair on bottom ace in middle or is there a better play?
Play warren.com gives :

/a/kk99 5 points setting first, with
A//kk99 at 4.5~

Fantasyland is properly calibrated so I tend to believe it.
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11-17-2013 , 11:16 PM
How do you set this FL in 3-handed play? Take the 4 and hope for a scoop, or take the 6 and likely get scooped up top?

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11-17-2013 , 11:53 PM
I would take the full house and hope one of them fouls.
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11-18-2013 , 12:25 AM
How would you set
Ah Jh As Qc 7d

I set it Q/AA/J7

HU first to act
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11-18-2013 , 01:32 PM
This ******* just hit Runner, runner, runner (Jd,Qs,Ah). That was the only combination that could stop him from fouling.

Odds, please?

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11-18-2013 , 02:29 PM
J up top was first? Lol he's crazy.
Did u already have your middle hand set? he's probably getting scooped anyway. But still.
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11-18-2013 , 03:02 PM
My middle was not yet set (got the 8 on 11th street). At first I though he was nuts putting J there, but if u step back and look at it it is actually a good play. If he put it in the middle, the only card that can save him from getting scooped is a Q up top (less and he is scooped, higher he fouls). By putting J up top, he is still drawing the the same Q, except now it give him an extra point plus the royalty bonus.

If he puts the jack below he is drawing extremely thin to not get scooped (needs k/q combo just to have a chance at avoiding the scoop) so may as well go for it.

I'm just shocked he hit it (and I know he isn't cheating). I assume I am >99% to scoop after 11th street.
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11-18-2013 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
My middle was not yet set (got the 8 on 11th street). At first I though he was nuts putting J there, but if u step back and look at it it is actually a good play. If he put it in the middle, the only card that can save him from getting scooped is a Q up top (less and he is scooped, higher he fouls). By putting J up top, he is still drawing the the same Q, except now it give him an extra point plus the royalty bonus.

If he puts the jack below he is drawing extremely thin to not get scooped (needs k/q combo just to have a chance at avoiding the scoop) so may as well go for it.

I'm just shocked he hit it (and I know he isn't cheating). I assume I am >99% to scoop after 11th street.
I'm wondering how he ended up with the 9 on the bottom.
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11-18-2013 , 05:46 PM
I understand the consistency of having middle royalties 2x the back, I feel like scoring 4 pts for a straight in the middle makes little sense, as it's substantially harder and usually riskier than making a flush or full house in the back. Also 2pts for trips in the middle seems too low. I would suggest at least 3pts for trips and 6 pts for straights.
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11-18-2013 , 05:46 PM
he's about 1.3% not to foul once the jack goes up if my math is right
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11-18-2013 , 08:04 PM
First to act, heads up with fantasyland. How do you set this?

QA5A2

I can see 3 possibilities from very conservative to fantasyland agressive


x/A/AQ52

Q/A/A25

Q/AA/52

Which is best?
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11-18-2013 , 08:34 PM
HU w/ FL

Opponent sets

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3 6
A 3 8

How do you set A A K 8 T
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11-18-2013 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth4761
First to act, heads up with fantasyland. How do you set this?

QA5A2

I can see 3 possibilities from very conservative to fantasyland agressive


x/A/AQ52

Q/A/A25

Q/AA/52

Which is best?
I'd probably put all diamonds on bottom. It's not often that I'll pass on setting a 4 flush.
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11-18-2013 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck Rabbit
HU w/ FL

Opponent sets

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3 6
A 3 8

How do you set A A K 8 T
I'm still trying for fantastyland with

K
AA
108

The fact he has an 8 doesn't concern me too much. It's still somewhat live, or you could end up with a straight or some other 2 pair on the bottom.
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