Finally started playing OFCP a couple weeks ago. Is there a no-brainer way to set this UTG? (HU, QQ+) Thanks.

AJJ33

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Jj33

I would set it JJ/33/A. I've had better results setting this way than two pair on bottom ace in middle. Any supporting math? Been curious on these type of sets what the most +EV strategy is.

FWIW, if it was JJ33x where X is T or lower I would set it JJ33/X/open. When X is A or K I would set it JJ/33/A or K, and if it was JJ33Q I would set it JJ33/open/Q since it's easier to pull AA/KK in middle than pulling two smaller pair for middle when setting A or K on top.

X-A-JJ33

Why? Pulling one ace and then trips/double two pair should be easier than pulling an ace plus KK or QQ. Lots of two pair/trips combos that can be made, much less chance of KK/QQ pull? No? I mean if you pull trips in back you're basically in FL already and setting JJ/33/A lets you put another K or Q on top too for double the FL chance.

Are simulators unable to answer questions like this definitively?

That seems too logical and stuff. I don't have an OFC simulator so I don't know.

I like

x-A-JJ33
K-x-33JJ
Q-x-JJ33

Much more likely to get FH royalty. Reduce fouling. Still have decent FL chances.

Would be tempted to do ?-33-JJ if I had information of dead 3s.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I when I meant "in fact" I really meant based on all factual evidence at hand. I ran a lot of simulations on the situation and found that 2 pair back is, in fact, the best play.

We can argue the validity and accuracy of the simulator, as it is certainly not perfect, but when I see an EV difference of 2 points, it usually means the simulator is correct.

Are you sure you aren't falling into a few cognitive biases here and remembering the "misses" more than the "hits?"

I'm always excited to see such turmoil over these kinds of situations because it just validates the value of having a simulator on hand.

No. We are getting close to solving the early game. While the game has an extreme amount of complexity, there are patterns that a machine learning algorithm can use to simplify it exponentially. Combine that with ever increasing processing power and we should be looking at a full-scale solution within 5 years.

It would be within 6 months if we had unlimited resources (get me 3 Google Engineers and 100 supercomputers and I got this).

Correct

idk if i just ran really good today (which i did, trips up top/quads/straight flush on back-to-back-to-back FL i think) or if i'm good at this game

i was planning on grinding nlhe cash this summer but may have to consider spending more time on this game

i'm a badass nlhe player that prob doesn't have more experience than most poker regs who play on their phones with friends. thoughts?

i would play 10pt pineapple at rio (3pt/hour rake). gotta imagine 10pt has more tourists/fish/rec players during wsop than the higher stakes

I know 2 people who made 50K+/month at 10/pt during WSOP - if you're an expert seems like a no brainer

+170 points/day every day for 30 days seems close to impossible, but I agree there is a lot of cash to be made in these games. Some of the people playing are just awful and have no idea what they're doing.

Myself and a friend won thousands of points online over a 2-3 month stretch. +170 is very doable even for a long stretch

i'd be highly surprised if i'm an expert (i guess it's possible i could have a considerable edge over most live pineapple players, i noticed other players making pretty suboptimal plays at the rio), like i said my only experience playing this game is playing pineapple on my iphone

i was hoping to grind nlhe for 12-15bb/hr this summer but variance/spew has gotten the best of me lately

15pt/hr for live pineapple has got to be attainable for somebody with strong poker background right?

Yeah but the live game is so much slower than playing online/app that +170/day without ever having a huge loss seems impossible. If playing on the app a lot then yeah I could see it, but not when each hand takes 5 minutes.

I definitely think 15 points/hour is possible vs. some of the people playing at Rio. I've played about 12 hours and up 440 points, should have been 700 points if I had left when I planned on it and then got crunched, obviously small sample size. It seems to be about half decent/good players and half terrible ones, and even the good ones are probably making more mistakes than they should. There are maybe 4-5 really good players at Rio right now, at least of those playing $10/pt, haven't played any $25+/pt

You mind identifying these players so I can avoid them? Ahahah

Btw I'm sure you could tell but I was joking, wouldn't want you to type out a long post describing 5 players

Playing standard rules and royalties in pineapple ofc, what is a good % to be In fantasy land(queens up top) and what is a good royalty per hand?

I haven't been this year... however I think it's doable but not entirely sustainable.

Rake, speed, and variance play a huge factor in it.

Last year, I played Pineapple almost exclusively for a month and only made $35,000 playing a mixture of 10 and 15 a point. I felt like there were a few players with similar or slightly better skill as me, but I didn't see them making any more than I was at the same stakes.

Just had a long session the other day, variance kicked my ass

I think a lot of it will be game selection, you don't want to be in a table with two regs if you're not getting there on 12th street

Hi guys, some quick questions:

1. What are the leading apps for playing on iphone and ipad? I'm mostly using ABC Chinese Poker, is there a better app that allows chat etc? Is there a good cross-platform app?

2. Is the pineapple variation the 'standard' most played now?

3. What would you consider a good points-per-game avg vs ABC computer? (playing pineapple, 10 round matches) I'm trying to figure out if I know what I'm doing yet haha.

Thanks for the help.

I don't understant why on many servers the short stack player can win more than what he hold in the beginning of the hand via a FL.

HU example.
shorty got 4 pts and make +4/FL he can now go in FL and can make another 8 because his stack will now be 8pts. It just make no sense hes that he was in a position to lose 4 win 12. FL should be seen as an extension of the hand so if he begin the hand with 4pts he shouldnt be able to end the hand with more than 8pts no matter how many opponents. If we win 2 pts but got FL than he may win another 2 in FL.

Its even worse 3-way. If a player doesnt have enough pts to pay 2 opponents than he shouldnt be able to collect from 2 opponents and should just be compared to one player. Anyway for online tournament the procedure for dealing with short stack is a real joke on most server I just hope its not like this in B&M casinos.