Just a quick Q for you guys...

Assume 1 tabling 7game on FTP (so no 2-7TD) what are solid BR reqs? 500 - 1000 BBs? (so 25 - 50 BI for the NL / PLO games)

the BRM must fit the omaha round first of all. depending on your skills, style and opponents aggression, your ability to drop down in stakes and so on...

20 bigbets are 100bigblinds(a stack) at FT. (25=100 on PS)

i think at 25/50c (PLO10) ~20 buy-ins is okay.
50c/1$ (PLO20) +30 buy-ins
1$/2$ (PLO40) +40 buy-ins because PLO (and NLHE) gets really tough.

full tilt has lower blinds in PLO and NLHE in comparison to the limit games then stars does, but still the biggest avg. pots come up there in general, and being passiv aint profitable.
after all it really depends on your skills in each game how much bankroll u need,
but FT offers even 0.05/0.10 and its great fun to win a stack every hour even when chaser ruin a lot of good hands.
if you play one table, know the rules of all games and avoid bad tilt, you can beat 0.05/0.10 and 0.10/0.20 easily.
good luck.

i guess if u r really only 1 tabling all the time then you are good with 20BI for the bigbet games. so 1k for 50NL/PLO should be enough. if you move up u can be more conservative.

OT question that I'm sure has been asked but I can't be arsed to search.

Is there any program that'd store hands and make garphs about other games than hold'em and omaha/o8? I'd like to be able to look at hands from different games easily and track my results in the fashion hem does it for hold'em and omaha.

Hi, I would really like to know if there is a tracker for all the games as well, I've tried to search a few times but no joy. I even downloaded a program from this forum but I couldn't seem to make it work, I think it was quite experimental at the time.

please ignore this, I'm just trying to subscribe to the thread

I disagree. I think personally you should tailor it to yourself, and should be done on a case by case. I myself play extremely nitty in NLHE and PLO, so those respective games don't affect my bankroll for the game. I play a rediculous amount of 1/2 limit, across all games on stars, and feel that considering MOST of the games I play are limit, and MOST of the games in 8 game are limit, I should go by the limit br requirements of at least 300BB.

I think being too big of a br nit here really prevents you from making money in the other games, if you are basing on what you play by your bankroll related to the big bet games. People are terrrrible at the other 6 games, so why not play those when you have the roll instead of not because you don't have 20 buy ins for PLO or NLHE?

I play a lot of the 8-game tourneys on stars and I really enjoy them. It's amazing how many people play without even knowing the rules to all the games 27td especially.

Afaik there's no tracker for 8 game however you can convert the hold em, plo and plo8 hands by changing the hand history for those games to match a normal ring game hand history for those games. This is if you have a tracker for both hold em and omaha

my god, i honestly hope they wont make an 8-game tracker ever, maybe you stats-geeks learn to play real poker instead of watching players like 21/17/4. i switched to 8-game just because i hate those nitty mass-tabling rakeback-******s who destroyed NLHE and already make plo become a preflop-game with all those idiotic plays cause villain has preflop-stats that say bla bla bla. you dont get it. learn all the games and play max of 4 tables or stay at your damn NLHE/PLO. just my 2 cents.

btw there are tracker for each game but youd have to run 8 diff tracker then. good luck.
pokerstars pro sebastian ruthenberg asked that before and said he got pissed by switching all the different tracker. hopefully never changes, then i wont even moan about low traffic.

Trackers can also be used for hand reviewing, track your play and improve your game. Your post makes no sense and it sounds more like a 10 yo rant

yeah, ALSO, you name it, but it aint just the self-improvement like everyone says.
be honest , if you play nlhe or plo100 and higher with many 3-bets preflop
u have a huge edge with a hud, or not?
its true it can help your development and like 80% of PT and HEM is based on your play, but you still have an edge by the hud and it changes the game drastically, at least preflop vs others who play without it.
why did a lot of us love rush poker at the beginning? cause there was no working hud for a few month. i guess my point is clearly explained.

Anybody with any BB/hr numbers for micro 8 Game?

I don't use a tracker anyway but like to know how much/ how much I could be winning.

I've only tracked 8 hours of play, so my results mean nothing. In terms of hours what consists of a significant sample size, playing three tables at a time?

Also, I've never been one to follow how many VPP's I'am making but micro 8 game rake seems to be a killer, agree/disagree?

there are too many variables to say how many bb/100 is good. everybody has a different background and stronger and weaker games, and all our opponents have significently different skills, too.

anyway, i suggest, that when you are all around at least decent, you should really be able to win more then 3ptbb/100 at 20c/40c 3 tabling. i think 5pt/bb is possible if you are good at the bigbet-games and able to show (any kind of) profit at 25/50c horse. and 2-7 is soft and plays big... .
its all just a gut-feeling afer playing 8-game for 5 month regular.
(i dont use tracker, but think im in between 3-5bb even with short episodes of tilt from time to time)

nevermind the rake at 8 game micros, people call with open King on 3rd in razz, that smoothes it, imo.

Oh yeah the rake is certainly beatable, because people do things like you mention above. There does seem to be a significant chunk disappear from pots though.

Wow, there is still someone out there who thinks calling with xxK in Razz can`t be +EV in any scenario.

very stupid post, maudsley.
say why instead of b*****ing around. advertising? or vs a steal? chase all the way and pray in a spot where you never know if u might be far behind?

Thanks. Just expressing my thoughts, do you think my message is wrong or my way of speakin?

both, actually.
but you could teach me that im wrong with the open King is never good in the long run.
maybe you could explain a situation where its worth it?
well, i can imagine on a razz table where a maniac steals with every open A-9 or so, you could maybe do that and be nearly +-EV.
but in 8 game you just play 6 hands of razz and then 49 other hands.
i just meant:" be somewhat constructive, plz"

It makes a difference that in 8 game razz the bi is 30% of a completed bet whereas in cash game razz only on stars the bi is 50% the complete. I don't think it is ever advisable to defend K bi at the 8 game razz structure while it might be fine at the razz only structure.

I don't see how people are going to be able to play many tables of 8 game without a stud dead card tracker of some sort --- not sure if this exists, I know it is illegal on stars. Maybe people can play more than 4 tables profitably with a hud even while losing something by missing dead cards...I don't know. The people that play 8 tables of stud very well prob have dead card tracker of some sort.

dont destroy the game with huds and tracker. PS-pro ruthenberg already asked for it, he ran one tracker for each game, lol, and stopped it.
just play it neat.

Finally after playing around 20-25 8Game tournies with a 2nd place and a couple 3rds I nabbed my first win!!

Took the $5 yesterday for $52......sick brag I know

WAT THE FOK IS WRONG WITH FISCHER80s HEAD?

I MEAN .... is this really happening.

what is the logic? Rebuy Roope learning new funny 8game .... hoping someday to loose amount that he can affoard / month and mayby start spending more time over there.
having a funny heads up , enjoying life. When Fischer80 joins in, we say no please go , we go sitout no leave, we open new tables he joins we say please, he stays. i say FOHK U A22HOLEGETHELPI HOPEUKILLURSELF he still stays ... i mean it was a bit over the top , but omg im so fohkin angry i could try to BREAK SOMETHING.

why is he doing this ... why.

HEADSUPTABLES-PLEASE

im mixed with sadness and angryness :@

FTP has HU tables for 7,8,9 and 10 Game.........and they have rakeback