Villain plays 2 2 5 on the bottom and J 9 in the middle.

Hero has K 6 6 5 2 on the button. How are you setting this?

6/K/652

I aim for a spade draw.

2/5/66K

You are going to use the replies from the forum to settle the bet? That will be fun! Play me soon!

didn't say what the bet was

Exactly.

Villain shows no spades yet, plus we have a possible straight in case our flush goes busto.

Not sure if you are playing fantasy land or not but sometimes I like to gamble with my top. If things start going south you can always adjust on the fly.

Villain plays bad

aannddd i win the bet. schneids is so fish.

I'd set that hand the same as Schneids can we play $20/pt?!

gimme a couple weeks, just started playing two days ago

have someone write a secure OFC app meantime

are there any decent resources for OFC strategy?

only substantial google result i've found is this http://chineseopenface.blogspot.ca/2...-strategy.html and it's full of awful advice right from the first post

Villain's hand is fine. low cards are almost better at the bottom, where they can make two pair / trips / FH, while leaving higher pairs in the mid and top hands.

Hero: 6 / K / 256 looks standard. However, since we have some blockers to villain, villain is less likely to make 2p+, so 6s on the bottom increase a lot in value. Make that K a 3, and I might prefer 2 / 5 / 366

I sure hope not!

says the guy who started deucescracked

If playing with FL I think starting with 22J/95 is better

Was mostly joking I really do want to play though, I have an addiction

I don't really love Schneids' set either, especially if you're playing FL. 5s up is a suboptimal back hand for making FL.

I would definitely be setting spades in the back and both the other cards in the middle although this may be a situation where 66K/5/2 is best since you have his hand in bad, bad shape.

I think spades in the back is optional for a more aggro approach, but I likely set 66K in the back to play safer. I'd put the spades bottom if it was multiway and I knew spades and the straight cards were live.
HU i think people make a big mistake putting low suited cards on the bottom, even with the gutter. In this case it's obvi a lot closer because of the royalty points for a straight flush.

Villain's play isn't really bad imo. I would generally set the 22 with J, but that may be a leak in my game.
The debate for setting low cards in back is that your middle/top becomes potentially stronger. The problem with this is that in a game like OFC fouling is more of a concern here. So say we set the 9J in the middle and hit a 9 right off the bat. Now what are we going to do?
The element of uncertainty is one that is tough to deal with when looking to set a more balanced hand.

Noob question, but in general, if we put a pair of 2's in back with one other card, don't we potentially run into that same problem no matter which card it is we put in back? If you have 22J in the back, then do whatever with the 9 and 5, and your next card is a 9 or a 5 you're still in the same spot ultimately as if you had put the 225 in back and caught a jack?

Either way I think you play the pair and hope you improve to two pair or 3 of a kind on bottom, so why not play it in a way that gives you the chance for your middle or top to be strong enough to win or even get a royalty on top? The only advantage to jacks and 2's on bottom is that you can more easily make a crappier two pair in the middle.... I just don't think building a hand in hopes of that scenario is that optimal because a lot of times you're going to end up with say jacks and 2s on the bottom and unimproved pair of 5's or 9s in the middle (depending on if you had put the 5 in the middle or top).

To me when I start with this hand, my hope is I end up with two pair, pair, pair/good high card. Playing the 22J way makes it feel like you're hopign for 2pair, 2pair, good high card/pair. I think the first way happens way more frequently in OFC (or I run bad).

I feel like when you're playing 2's on bottom your expectation has to be that you're going to improve the 2's and if you fail to improve the 2's you're fairly likely to get swept anyway, so what difference does it make if you misset?

Also keep in mind that my opponent, Pete, plays HU super nitty, so playing to not misset and hoping that he does end up missetting isn't as sweet of an option compared to if you know your opponent plays pretty aggressively and you can just build to not misset.

I could be wrong with all of these thoughts though... that's part of what makes OFC pretty neat

only against superdonks who foul their hand way more than they should!

This is HU? With fantasy?

Flush have 62,57% and (4+2)0.6257 = 3.75 points value

Better:
x
K 5 2
6 6

And put in bottom any free cards: 3, 4, 7 etc.
In this way full house have 24.65% and 1.97 points value

But we win too with 2 pare 66++ and set (68.33%). And we get a chance to collect QQ in top

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Not to mention the Straight Flush Draw.
No Gamble, No Future.

I sent schneids this thread.

His reply:



At least 2021 schneids realizes what a donkey 2013 schneids is?

Reg OFC or Progressive OFC?