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[MIXED GAMES] What variants are people playing these days? [MIXED GAMES] What variants are people playing these days?

06-27-2023 , 04:37 PM
Also I dare any of you to go to my linked badugi HL thread and tell me why I'm missing the charm of this wonderful game.

Seriously not everyone is going to like everything. But that one is just like.... Calvinball hand rankings.

Like the old joke about how a wildcat is only good once a night.
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06-27-2023 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
These discussions tend to be really polarizing when the truth is a bit of a middle ground. In response to this particular question, plaques don't explain anything about hi-dugi versus badugi high low. It certainly won't explain why JT64 is a "higher" badugi than KQ73 in one of those games but not the other. Fortunately, Coach will patiently take the 10 minutes to explain it.

No one's trying to pull a ruse, and in context. I understand these are folks just making up games because they like to do so. They happen to also be hospitable to newcomers who want to join them so overall it's a fun time. And I like some of the "out there" games. Drawmaha 49 is growing on me!

However if I were trying to put together a visitor-friendly mixed games and loved all the 18 games in the mix, I'd probably try to rotate some of the more "out there" ones rather than play them all at the same time. Maybe 3 drawmahas out of 15 instead of 6 of 18.

I'd pick one "high badugi" game (hopefully hi-dugi) and put the other in mothballs.

Learning new games is really fun, but 4 hours out of a 5 hour rotation working with maybe a dozen funky hand rankings is a bit too much cognitive load to be tourist-friendly.
Actually I don’t think the truth is somewhere in middle. The takes on these games in this thread and others have been outlandish. First it was said they were rude and didn’t explain games. Then it was called a scam. 3for3poker and fossilman helped spell out the truth, and it was nothing like it was presented.

And “watering” it down to help make it more inclusive sounds good in theory but just doesn’t work.

People love Dramaha, so on a random Tuesday they are supposed to take half of them out to try and entice Billy Bob from West Virginia to take a seat? They don’t even know if a Billy Bob might be showing up. Most people don’t need to be in a Dramaha study group before sitting down and playing though.

But they get a decent amount of tourists regardless of Billy Bob. Game runs all of the time with a list. People can just simply choose whether or not to play
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06-27-2023 , 08:36 PM
Coach is like the Salvador Dali of game runners and some yíall telling the man he needs to stop painting those melted clocks lol. Step aside and let the man do his work imo
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06-28-2023 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
These discussions tend to be really polarizing when the truth is a bit of a middle ground. In response to this particular question, plaques don't explain anything about hi-dugi versus badugi high low. It certainly won't explain why JT64 is a "higher" badugi than KQ73 in one of those games but not the other. Fortunately, Coach will patiently take the 10 minutes to explain it.

No one's trying to pull a ruse, and in context. I understand these are folks just making up games because they like to do so. They happen to also be hospitable to newcomers who want to join them so overall it's a fun time. And I like some of the "out there" games. Drawmaha 49 is growing on me!

However if I were trying to put together a visitor-friendly mixed games and loved all the 18 games in the mix, I'd probably try to rotate some of the more "out there" ones rather than play them all at the same time. Maybe 3 drawmahas out of 15 instead of 6 of 18.

I'd pick one "high badugi" game (hopefully hi-dugi) and put the other in mothballs.

Learning new games is really fun, but 4 hours out of a 5 hour rotation working with maybe a dozen funky hand rankings is a bit too much cognitive load to be tourist-friendly.
Indeed, the first time I played, Coach met me 30 minutes before the game to explain the games that I didnít understand.
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06-29-2023 , 01:03 AM
Random note: we did have games like 7-card stud in the mix a couple times. Next year I'll try to pick some HORSE games for the mix.

I'm happy to admit I may have just had an outliar experience.

Next year I'll be try to get some games going that are what it seems a lot of WSOP players want.
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06-29-2023 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.
Random note: we did have games like 7-card stud in the mix a couple times. Next year I'll try to pick some HORSE games for the mix.

I'm happy to admit I may have just had an outliar experience.

Next year I'll be try to get some games going that are what it seems a lot of WSOP players want.
That’s the beauty of it, everyone gets to pick a game and no one or group of people decide. But it typically doesn’t include horse games.

You are talking to someone that loves Stud high. But it doesn’t fare well in the mix. Several players will just use it as their bathroom break which is natural choice since they don’t want to miss blind games and super stud8 is popular. So what usually ends up happening is that the players that remain will get bored playing some short handed pots with no money in pot and the game will exit as soon as person who picked it is gone. Same with Razz. Even O8 got the “take this out?” convo going and I actually was the one to save it.

Twice I came in later into a game and when they changed the game one of the plaques was flipped over to show the blank side. In both cases it was Stud switched out to play Razzdeucey.

My advice is to try and start something separate whether it be at Paris or somewhere else. It’s just two different worlds. Bellagio might be a good choice as there’s already limit H and O over there.
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06-11-2024 , 10:53 PM
It's that time of the year again. I'll be playing in this game some this weekend and next week. I see it run on PokerAtlas. Any word on what games they're doing? How's Coach doing?
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06-12-2024 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
It's that time of the year again. I'll be playing in this game some this weekend and next week. I see it run on PokerAtlas. Any word on what games they're doing? How's Coach doing?
Same 18 as last year at this time. Nothing has changed. Game runs 6 days/week, not on Sunday.

Game starts at one. Let me know if you want to try to get on the starting list.
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06-24-2024 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
Same 18 as last year at this time. Nothing has changed. Game runs 6 days/week, not on Sunday.

Game starts at one. Let me know if you want to try to get on the starting list.
Iíve been trying to get in the last few days and got shut out. I have tournaments planned the next few days, but Iíd really love to play on Thursday if possible.
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07-10-2024 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.
Anybody else wish mixed-games were just selected from HORSE + NLHE + PLO + 2-7 TD + NL 2-7 + Badugi?

Maybe a few others. But games like Drawmaha Hi-Dugi just feel like tourist scams.
Yes, I feel the same. I am OK playing 10 game mix like in 50K players championship but I have no desire to play all made up games. They are keeping Mixed games unpopular in Las Vegas by not playing regular mixes at low/mid stakes. I played limit/mixed up to 50/100
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07-10-2024 , 09:23 PM
I disagree about your ideal mix. Adding in big bet games is far more likely to fleece an unsuspecting tourist than a round of Dramaha high dugi. They may be familiar with hold ‘em and even PLO…but single draw deuce?

Additionally the general culture in the mixed games I play is anti big bet.
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07-10-2024 , 09:47 PM
i can only for sure speak for myself in what my preference would be - which would be all the limit stuff and none of the big bet stuff. are there other chickens out there just like me? i'm sure, and if you asked me to guess i'd say there's more like me than vice versa.

all the same, though, i do think the more exotic the limit games get, the more turned-off some players can get, and i definitely observed this several times in my last stint playing 20/40 at the rio. so i do think there's an argument to keeping rotations more straightforward and concise.
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07-11-2024 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
Yes, I feel the same. I am OK playing 10 game mix like in 50K players championship but I have no desire to play all made up games. They are keeping Mixed games unpopular in Las Vegas by not playing regular mixes at low/mid stakes. I played limit/mixed up to 50/100
Not true at all

Earlier in summer one night they had two 40/80 games going at Bellagio and five 20/40 at Rio. Then I¬’m sure they had stuff at Resorts World. It¬’s more popular than ever.

Meanwhile O/E has sort of declined (not sure how often it went off in Kings Club) and there¬’s no O8b game on Strip, have to go to Southpoint or Orleans

Except for Dramaha variants the ¬“made up¬” games have been around for at least a decade. If a game has been around for a decade and keeps on getting played, it¬’s because people enjoy playing it and not trying to fleece a tourist. Archie, Badeucey, SuperStud, Razzdeucey, all are starting to get gray hairs. Badugi and 2-7TD can play super senior event.

Seems like debate on this is more or less over. But no one is preventing someone from starting up a Horse list or something. And something like that would be enjoyable, but it might not go, and if it did certainly not five
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07-11-2024 , 11:25 AM
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Not true at all

Earlier in summer one night they had two 40/80 games going at Bellagio and five 20/40 at Rio. Then I’m sure they had stuff at Resorts World. It’s more popular than ever.

Meanwhile O/E has sort of declined (not sure how often it went off in Kings Club) and there’s no O8b game on Strip, have to go to Southpoint or Orleans

Except for Dramaha variants the ¬ďmade up¬Ē games have been around for at least a decade. If a game has been around for a decade and keeps on getting played, it¬ís because people enjoy playing it and not trying to fleece a tourist. Archie, Badeucey, SuperStud, Razzdeucey, all are starting to get gray hairs. Badugi and 2-7TD can play super senior event.

Seems like debate on this is more or less over. But no one is preventing someone from starting up a Horse list or something. And something like that would be enjoyable, but it might not go, and if it did certainly not five

Aren't all games 'made up'? There's nothing natural about a poker variant, including Hold'em and Draw Poker.

I regularly play Coach's mix, and like all but one of the games. Of course I like some more than others, but I enjoy the variety. Playing straight O/E might be a nice change once in a while, but I don't see that often.

Resorts World has had an 8/16 game going 6 days per week, and it often goes deep into the night, and even went round the clock at least once that I know of. (BTW, nice Freudian slip about games at the Rio!)
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07-11-2024 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
Aren't all games 'made up'? There's nothing natural about a poker variant, including Hold'em and Draw Poker.

I regularly play Coach's mix, and like all but one of the games. Of course I like some more than others, but I enjoy the variety. Playing straight O/E might be a nice change once in a while, but I don't see that often.

Resorts World has had an 8/16 game going 6 days per week, and it often goes deep into the night, and even went round the clock at least once that I know of. (BTW, nice Freudian slip about games at the Rio!)
Lol yes, they are all made up, thatís why I put it in quotes

But yes I loved the Rio! Amazon room in particular. Believe back in 2012 played in a Triple Draw mix including Badeucey and Badacey. So people have had 12 years to think about those games. No one is trying to set a tourist trap.

But yes itís very strong, would never have ten TORSE games going or something like that.
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07-11-2024 , 01:39 PM
If you're a variant lover and always thought it would be cool if there were better hands than a Straight Flush, you might be interested in trying one that my play group came up with. It's called New England Hold'Em (NEHE) and uses all 7 cards, not just 5. That not only makes it harder for two players to chop by adding more kickers, but it also adds new hands like a Long Straight (6-card straight) and a Villa (three of a kind + two pair).

Another interesting thing about it is the betting structure, where being the last to raise makes you first to act in the next betting round. This makes it so that your position at the table at the start of the hand is less important than it is in Texas Hold'Em, and you won't feel so bullied if you start from out of position (or so dominant if you start in position). Betting is slightly nerfed and calling is slightly buffed with these rules.

Let me know if you try it out in your home game / card room and what your experience with it was! Thanks. Here's the link to the public Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
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