Hello Forum,

Does anyone know where I can find some GTO preflop fixed limit holdem ranges for preflop play?

I looking for them all over the internet but I can not find, just the heads up ones from the AI project.

Limit 6max is harder to solve than NL 6max so there are no public solutions, but there are 3max GTO ranges from old bot vs bot competitions.

With current hardware, a 4max solution would be pushing it and 5max would be impossible unless significant game tree simplifications are made.

I wish there was some kind of training website for limit hold em.

Sure, do you know where I can find decend solutions?I can spend some money on this, all the solutions that I could find on the internt are from 2010s.

please explain why you believe this is true

In 100bb NLHE, you can make reasonable assumptions such as only allowing 1-2 bet sizes per street. the amount of action sequences is also smaller because bet sizes are usually 0.5-1 pot so pots get big quickly and terminate at an all in. Sometimes solvers also make assumptions like no 4-way pots allowed.

in limit holdem pots never terminate early and so there are a lot more different action sequences when you consider raises, reraises (which are more common than in NL). it is less straightforward to make action sequence abstractions and youd probably need to lose information like who was the last aggressor. in addition, multiway pots are more common due smaller raise sizes so you cannot abstract away 4way pots.

This all sounds right in theory, and appears to matter, but if you spend 100 hours with monkersolver you would find out it doesn't. The only reason LHE solves aren't more commonly available is because the market is smaller so I would assume people that are capable of generating them have less incentive to share / sell them and more desire to use them for themselves.

But I think it is more difficult to create a reasonable betting tree for limit. you could make one, but you will lose more info than you would creating a NL abstraction, given the same memory limits. It's hard to prove but this is just my feeling.

huhuman there are solutions publicly (but they are $$$) no idea how accurately they are solved, also some rooms have 4-bet caps so id imagine that would help (just cap river to 4-bets...)...they used monker solver, they also did some O/8 but only like 3-max and HU, would be interesting to see but not worth it for my local 20/40 IMO...also re: accuracy since the VIPs in your games are going to be deviating alot you are going to have to grind nodelocked sims to come up with the best strats....