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02-19-2024 , 11:19 PM
Hi all - I will be in town during the $1,500 HORSE WSOP event and was planning on playing it as long as I'm available. In the hopes of not being totally dead money, is there any suggestions in how to get better/more comfortable in any of the games, other than below? Feel like any assistance in the three stud games is probably my biggest hole to plug.

- There is a casino a couple hour drive from me that runs a HORSE game once a week - I don't think I've played it since 2016 or 2017 but will have to drive down to have a session or two there.
- Rewatch pokergo events of last year's HORSE and 8 game etc.
- Pokerstars Play Money (Lol I know - feel like it would be a good way to actually get hands in? I live in US so no availability to real money Pokerstars.).

Any other suggestions would be appreciated - books, training materials etc
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02-20-2024 , 11:13 AM
The 2+2 books on stud and stud8/Omaha8 are both worth your time.
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02-20-2024 , 03:07 PM
yeah i think the aforementioned books will have a lot of good material for anyone starting out in those games

PS play money isn't gonna do much for you other than seeing how the blinds go around and hands are dealt.

however, what i do think can be of value (if you're gonna do it anyway) is to just play the games anyway and then use propokertools to familiarize yourself with the equities of the actual hands you played and what you saw on showdown. there will be a big difference in throwing random hands into a simulator and seeing what's what vs throwing in the actual hands you've played (even if they're not real monies), as you'll be a lot more likely to have them register and stick with you moving forward.

additionally, it'll help you figure out what seem to be small differences in cards and how they play out in various scenarios: like A234 rainbow pre in o8 vs 4 other players vs A23K rainbow, or you get to see what the difference is with 224 vs 234 in s8, etc (which is typically what i do when i'm investigating spots)

right now the website simulator is down but you can download the program and use one of the currently free registration keys to get it going.

gl!
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02-20-2024 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg (FossilMan)
The 2+2 books on stud and stud8/Omaha8 are both worth your time.
Thanks - found both these books and will read this spring!
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02-20-2024 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
PS play money isn't gonna do much for you other than seeing how the blinds go around and hands are dealt.
Yeah I mean I mostly agree. Thinking it will be helpful for me to at least get reps in, get an understanding of how often I get dealt a premium hand vs a "good" hand etc.

Also interested in how far i can widen hand selection in putting on pressure with a chip lead approaching the bubble, vs how much i need to tighten up approaching the bubble as a short stack. All tournament ideas i mostly have an idea of in NL Holdem, and to just get an idea of how that extrapolates out to limit & different games. again though, play money world probably not the best place to get a reliable response from villians

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Originally Posted by kisada

however, what i do think can be of value (if you're gonna do it anyway) is to just play the games anyway and then use propokertools to familiarize yourself with the equities of the actual hands you played and what you saw on showdown. there will be a big difference in throwing random hands into a simulator and seeing what's what vs throwing in the actual hands you've played (even if they're not real monies), as you'll be a lot more likely to have them register and stick with you moving forward.
I had thought this as well - I found an equity calculator for the ORSE games which I feel like will be valuable for me to just type in situations and get an idea of the %'s, and then see how that changes if X is a dead card vs Y is a dead card etc

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gl!
Thank you!
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02-20-2024 , 06:50 PM
I do not have the experience of previous posters but here is what I would do.

Forget about the local tournament HORSE because the blind structure is way different - they are like hyper turbos.

Play PokerStars tournament once a week - to see what game(s) you need to work on and then work on them
there are books on all the 5 of the games, but maybe you are bleeding in RAZZ and winning in Holdem


look at the WSOP structure sheet with blinds/antes to determine how many hands you should play
and how low your stack BB can get before you get excited to push all-in on one hand
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02-24-2024 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by e1cnr
I do not have the experience of previous posters but here is what I would do.

Forget about the local tournament HORSE because the blind structure is way different - they are like hyper turbos.

Play PokerStars tournament once a week - to see what game(s) you need to work on and then work on them
there are books on all the 5 of the games, but maybe you are bleeding in RAZZ and winning in Holdem


look at the WSOP structure sheet with blinds/antes to determine how many hands you should play
and how low your stack BB can get before you get excited to push all-in on one hand
Thank you, appreciate this response!

2024 WSOP structures haven't been released yet but I've taken a look at the 2023 structure (guessing it will be the exact same - the 2024 sheet references the same starting stack at 40/60 minute levels) - and also found the PokerNews reporting from the 2023 event so have an idea of kinda how many people are getting eliminated in each level, how big pots/stacks are at each stage etc
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02-25-2024 , 01:45 AM
Honestly don't worry at all about structures. Just get better at playing. This is the number one thing I can say about beating the $1500 HORSE (and I've come in 2nd twice): when anyone other than an actual very good player tells you a story, believe them. If they do a lot of checking, they are weak; if they do a lot of betting, they are strong.
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02-26-2024 , 08:11 PM
any chance you can tell us what it means when those very good players do the betting or checking
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02-26-2024 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
any chance you can tell us what it means when those very good players do the betting or checking
In stud games they're more likely to be betting what appears to be a scary board, even if their hole cards aren't very good.
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02-27-2024 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips
Honestly don't worry at all about structures. Just get better at playing.
Appreciate the responses - I certainly want to focus on this. Have been watching some old WSOP and pokergo HORSE content, and found a small local game that runs horse once a month so planning to check that out a couple times as well before June.
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03-04-2024 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kisada
yeah i think the aforementioned books will have a lot of good material for anyone starting out in those games

PS play money isn't gonna do much for you other than seeing how the blinds go around and hands are dealt.

however, what i do think can be of value (if you're gonna do it anyway) is to just play the games anyway and then use propokertools to familiarize yourself with the equities of the actual hands you played and what you saw on showdown. there will be a big difference in throwing random hands into a simulator and seeing what's what vs throwing in the actual hands you've played (even if they're not real monies), as you'll be a lot more likely to have them register and stick with you moving forward.

additionally, it'll help you figure out what seem to be small differences in cards and how they play out in various scenarios: like A234 rainbow pre in o8 vs 4 other players vs A23K rainbow, or you get to see what the difference is with 224 vs 234 in s8, etc (which is typically what i do when i'm investigating spots)

right now the website simulator is down but you can download the program and use one of the currently free registration keys to get it going.

gl!
Can you share any available free registration keys for PPT? Thanks.
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03-04-2024 , 04:49 PM
just head to the PPT site and there is a reg key right there on the front page!
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03-27-2024 , 01:50 PM
If you haven't played much split pot limit games, I'd be looking to improve there.

Playing one way hands in Stud 8 (think split medium pairs, or 237) and chasing 2d best draws multi way in O8 are some of the bigger leaks.

In Razz, the rank of your upcard matters a lot; having a slightly weaker hand with a baby showing is better than having a slightly stronger hand with an 8+. This game is very board dependent.

Also, remember the stud games have an extra street of betting; when you get short this can have a significant impact on which hands you will go with.
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04-02-2024 , 09:53 PM
It’s very basic but Mastering Mix Games isn’t terrible if you are a true beginner
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06-27-2024 , 06:58 AM
Did you play? How did you do?
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06-27-2024 , 01:12 PM
Thanks for bumping this up - I was thinking about this thread and was planning on writing an update in it.

I did get to play the $1,500 HORSE event which was fun - I'm on the east coast and don't come to LV often so this was the first bracelet event I got to play since 2017 or 2018. I got eliminated about 4 hours into the tourney - not the first person eliminated but certainly not what I had hoped for. I had lost 80% of my stack by the first break - I had lost a large 3-handed Omaha hi/lo pot with A334ss where I made A3 for the low and the low end of the straight, where predictably one villian had A2 and another the higher straight. Then additionally lost a large stud hi/lo hand with rolled up jacks (I know it's not exactly a monster stud hi/lo hand lol. the hand started with 5 people seeing fourth street so figured I could lock up the high board if i make FH/quads, but I ended up going through unimproved and one villian made 6 hi straight for the high and the low). Felt like on both of these I was paying off winners on the last street, but getting faced with 10:1+ is tough to fold to

The guy next to me was a self-proclaimed regular mix game player for California who mentioned to me that I was running bad (either that or he was trying to keep the fish happy ), which is at least nice to hear. Obviously it's tough in games you've never played before to understand to what degree you are unlucky vs making mistakes. Feels like from both playing and watching a lot of mixed games, there is a fair amount of luck as a lot of these hand equities run a lot closer to 50% naturally in contrast to NLHE, along with bet sizes being limited to get value when you have the advantage. I ended up chipping up to get back to 0.5 starting stacks, but ended up putting my last 5 big bets in in a 3-way razz hand on 4th street where I had a 7 draw vs an 8 draw and 6 draw.

In terms of prep, I really just watched a lot of pokergo/prior year wsop content. Pokergo had their mixed game week at some point in April that streamed a lot of content, as well as a log of all of the mixed games from WSOP over last couple of years. Between watching the games and the announcers' insights, felt like I was prepared enough, and honestly allowed me to at least notice mistakes that others were making at my table (calling raises with 9/T in stud hi/lo). Also did play a little on Pokerstars play money which was nice to get used to playing the game but play money can only take you so far. With my IRL job taking up more time than I was expecting between March-June i didn't give myself a lot of time to formally study-practice unfortunately.

Interesting thought on if it is easier to win a bracelet in a field like this (835 players this year) in games you might not necessarily be too good at, in comparison to a large field low stakes NL tourney vs players that you presumably have a small edge over? My thought is still yes, but after a quick exit in this I'm certainly open to hearing the other side.

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Also wanted to thank everyone in the forum who chipped in with their insight. I feel like I've spent so much time at live low stakes poker tables with a bunch of misregs lol, really appreciated the people who posted with genuine interest in helping someone they've never met before!
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07-10-2024 , 05:07 AM
You can try BBZ Mix games course and after that Upswing Mixed games course. I will try several mix games tourneys next year too. I am using Propokertools and Troutulator. Play on PS Play Money and tried on some apps.
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07-19-2024 , 11:59 PM
I got the Upswing Course a few years ago. Its paid for itself for me for a handful of WSOP and WPT mixed games events. Not cheap though, but if you want to play WSOP mixed games events, then it could be worth it.
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