Pretty simple to describe. Six handed

Very good mixed games player, strong at draw games, raises UTG.

Folds to me on BN. I have 87543 deuce, 754 badugi.

Now what.

edit - predraw. whatever

That's impossible. (Because if the three is the lowest card in your hand, then it's part of your three-card badugi)

I need to know what the suits are of all your cards.

Buzz

What is 87543 deuce? I'll assume you have 87543.

You have 754 three card? What suit is the 3? Your three card is better than 754.

Although this hand looks strong (you have a pat 8), it's not very strong at all. A 754 three card or whatever you have (753 or 743) will never win the badugi portion. So you're basically hoping your rough pat 8 holds up, and if it does, you get your money back plus a little more (assuming you 3 bet predraw and it's heads up). He might even fold at some point, but it's unlikely. If he beats your 87 low, you're getting scooped, which will happen too often. You want to play hands where YOU have scoop potential. This is a good hand to start with in 2-7 triple draw, but it's a bad badeucy hand. Fold predraw, especially if you're line is to stand pat.

If you do play the hand, it would be best to keep your best three card (I'll assume 753), draw 2, and hope to make a strong badugi or improve to a better three card after the 1st draw. If you say he's a very good draw player raising UTG, it's more likely that your three card 753 is trailing his hand, although it will often be pretty close and you might be ahead a small percentage of the time.

I think folding predraw is best. Playing and drawing 2 is probably not that bad at all. Playing and standing pat is a huge leak.

If you actually did have a 754 three card (which you didn't), that hand would be a lot worse than 753 because of the higher chance of making a straight.

Would jam and pat

Even with 87543/743, in a tournament I think it's a fold.

Jam and pat, don't think it's to close. May fold if I was super short

Seems not great given you can get freerolled so hard fairly often?

Especially in a tournament you can get your opponent to fold a lot of equity later in the hand. So I'd jam/pat.

I actually meant they are freerolling you with a good 3 card badugi considering you never improve that side. Hadn't considered FE but surely in split pot games people don't fold the right hands vs you?

You just auto showdown 256, 237 or even 245 here when you brick?

Lots of people can open 248 or hands like 23(7) here and they all basically have to fold unimproved of they brick the second draw in a tourney

In a soft live game they don't, but good players aren't auto sd rough 3 card hands, especially in a tournament.

are those 3 card hands the bottom of their range? if we are treating them as the minimum then don't they have loads of outs to not brick by turn, including the 2 extra cards they have in their predraw holdings.

Another question is are we folding this hand post at any point?

I expected to see this answer. I DID NOT expect to see this answer from this person.

sorry i forgot about this. I must have had 87543/753. I had three of some suit so like 8s7d5h4s3s

thanks for the responses.

I tanked and folded bc I'm a pssy and he was very good. I've been told it's ok by smart people. I am and always was tempted to jam and pat but I did some math and stuff and I still think fold is slightly better.

In particular he's UTG, I have a ****ty 7 badugi that won't improve, and I block an 8, and even if he has an 4 card deuce 8 /3 card badugi, he has a better 3-card half the time unless he's opening 876x/76x, 8754/754 which he clearly isn't. Or 7542/754 or 7652/765 which don't make me very happy either, especially when I don't block his badugi deuce improvers and he has other badugi winners, like you know, making any badugi.

And in lots of other cases I'm sitting dead on the badugi half and fading draws for the deuce half.