Hi all,

Ok trying this again....

Utg non-nit opens to $40 in 20/40 mix, next to act calls, we peel 2s5h6c in MP and 3! to $60, they both call. Edit: utg is showing a 5c, utg1 a 4c.

First draw: utg draws Ts, next to act gets the 8c, we draw Kd giving us a badugi. UTG donks $20, utg calls, we call. (Raise here?)

Second draw: utg draws Js, utg1 Kc, we draw 2d. Checks to hero who bets $40, only utg calls, utg folds.

Third draw: utg draws a 2c, we draw 8h. He checks, we bet $40, he calls.

Last draw: we draw Tc. He checks we bet $40, he calls. We are showing (2s5h)6cKd2d8c(Tc), he has 5cTsJs2c showing.

Thanks,
DT

You are so lackadaisical and lazy with your posts its very tilting. You couldn't even bother to write the other players upcards or complete boards. You routinely write impossible actions and bet sizes. You are playing a game where you can win or lose thousands of dollars and asking for free advice, have some respect.

This was my first razzdugi post and I obviously missed some things that I didn't know/forgot to include. I edited it for what it's worth. Sorry, not trying to be disrespectful...moreso ignorance if anything. :/ I'll keep this in mind for future posts. Thank you.

How many players? What are the exposed cards of the players that do not call the initial bet? Dead cards are critical in all stud variants. Given your success in other forms why did you decide to take up mixed games?

Full ring and I totally forgot the dead cards so I didn’t bother including them.

I needed a change of pace, everything gets boring after a while. Missed the excitement of learning a new variant. This game does not run at our casino very often so I won’t get to play it much.

Agree that this hand history is too laborious to read properly and stopped me from doing the full analysis- you really want to repeat all exposed cards from active players every street.

Raising king dugi would be horrific spew on 4th.

Ah ok I’ll do it right next time. Thanks.

Also, it is confusing when you say "first draw" and "second draw". This is a stud game, in stud you don't really draw, you just get more cards. Better to say "fourth street" and "fifth street".

Also, shouldn't the guy who got the 8 have gone first on fourth street? You can't really "donk" bet in stud games. The action starts with the player with the best hand based on the open cards. So it should have been first that the 8 gets the option to bet, then you, then the T. This is important for reasons other than nitpicking - if the T bet, he bet after two other players had checked to him, so his bet is not nearly as strong as if he had actually been first to act.

This is probably what DD meant by "impossible actions". I don't think you were being disrespectful though; everyone is a newbie at a game at some point.

Ok I’m just really new to this. Thanks. Sorry to f this up so bad…wow.

It is very difficult to remember everything important about a hand in a stud game by the time you get to posting it, which is part of why you don't see many stud hand playalongs. There were more posted when people were playing stud online, because you could get it all from the hand history.

Based only on the information given though, I would say that you played the alright. The final bet was thin; if you get called you're most likely chopping, but the most you lose is one bet, and there is a slight chance that you will scoop or fold out a hand that would have won half.

I am curious about the showdown if he called.

He called and I actually scooped. Ty.

what other games did you come from? if you don't mind answering.

dumbos, i know 100% i mentioned something like this in other threads, but you routinely post threads that are similar in the sense they lack critical information (though none as jarring as this one where you literally changed games in the middle of the thread), and it makes things difficult for the reader (us) and tells us you're not valuing our time.

if you want a good response, you have to put in the effort to make a concise post with information that makes sense. and that's not just because people responding literally need that information to give you an accurate assessment of what they would do or what they think, but it's because you are seeking help at no cost to you, help that people do NOT have to provide, help that people are WILLING to provide for free, and you're not respecting their time or efforts to do so. i've probably wasted like 20 minutes typing this out at least, and i didn't have to. nobody else here had to respond, either.

i'll add that i remember when i first started posting in stud forums i did the same-ish things and i was kinda surprised when the mod got mad at me. it forced me to stop and think about why and i realized it was primarily the two things i mentioned above.

i've said it before and i'll say it again: i suggest in the future you put all the effort necessary into writing out your hands. if you don't, more and more people are going to get mad, and eventually nobody will want to provide you any feedback. when you post and ask a question, you are asking people to lend their efforts. so respect those efforts.

so yeah, do EVERYTHING you can to make your post a breeze to read. as for some actual tangible things you can do:

- if you forgot a thing, a dead card, an action, literally make it up. don't leave gaps in cards and actions for us to puzzle out, because we're already trying to puzzle out the hand.

- if making flushes is a thing in the game you post (stud, omaha, dramaha, whatever), then use the suit thingies the forum gives you to make it easier for us to read. they're your friend. they're friends to all of us. probably only sociopaths prefer to read cskh. and btw, you have Ac2s3hKs in o8? guess what? i'm lazy, that looks ugly and my brain doesn't want to process that. but if you have A32K that's much nicer and something i actually want to read.

- for that matter, if i have to read someone saying Ac2s3h just one more time in a badugi hand when they coulda just said A23r or A23o i'm gonna flip my ****. really suggest you do the same for any badugi-type games where you want different suits.

- i'll also add stud hand histories are wretched, so if there's one category of games you really want to provide extra structure and formatting to, they're gonna be stud games.

- after all that? proofread.

while i hope you follow the suggestions, i just don't know that it will make a difference since we keep asking you but this keeps happening, so really try to make a better effort. or if you're tired or under some type of influence when posting these things, definitely don't do that either

If you are doing this on the computer, it is pretty easy to write 7th street first and just cut and paste it backwards.

3rd st:

4th st:

Etc

Same as any stud hand

Based on what I can tell from the action, I would have played it the same.

Thanks for the candid feedback everyone, I'll try better next time! Lol such a mixed games posting noob I am....

And kisada, I came from playing hold 'em and omaha, mainly five-card.

All good advice, but I disagree with this one part, unless I am misunderstanding something. The exact suits in razzdugi definitely are important, Different A23r hands could have different strengths based on the other players' upcards. And even in dugi draw games, the suits you started out with become important for us to know when you start getting more cards, so we will know if the new card drawn has a suit you needed or not.

you're right about that for sure, i just didn't feel compelled to bring up that particular use-case which, ironically, would have made more sense given we were actually talking about this game lol (and also not omitting key points in our posts!)

in regards to badugi draw games yeah it does matter eventually when you keep piling up the same suit but at that point i'd just expect everyone to know what they're doing/saying when they are like "yeah that's my third heart so i tossed a different card this time" etc.