2-7TD played Pot Limit, in private mix game where no one has much of a clue. 7 handed. There are no burns in between draws.

I'm on the button and everyone limps to me. I have 7-2, rag-rag-rag. I limp along as the PL style and the general cluelessness of field, along with button advantage, is enough for me to want to get involved. The blinds complete/check.

Draws are all D2-D3, save for one early D1 from a straight forward opponent (who will bet when they judge they have a good hand and check when not). I take three and make a 97542.

Again, everyone checks to me, so I pot and get called by all six opponents! 2nd draw, everyone ahead of me takes 1 card. What do you do?

I'll stop it here and then restart with my draw decision and reasoning after.

I don't think standing pat against 6 x D1s on the flop will hold, unless they are beyond clueless.

I would D1 as well and spike a 3.

If you draw you will be getting a card from the muck. You probably should fold pre in these situations because you are essentially playing single draw. This is one time you'd rather be out of position in the SB since they might be the only player able to get two no-muck draws.

Six people before you took 1 card, so they have 24 cards 8 or below, add your 4 and that makes 28. There are only 28 cards 8 or below, so unless someone is drawing to a 9, you breaking your nine is idiotic since there are zero available cards to improve your hand and you can only lose to a better nine.

That's not true since someone could have paired and discarded a low card.

That's where my thinking took me -- reasonably sane people are drawing w/four to an 8-low or better, and with my 5 cards, and their 24 cards, we're at 29 cards, with me holding the only 9 (presumably), and all the 2-8s accounted for, so I've got a relatively ease pat scenario. A paired low card on a previous draw would make one or more 2-8s live on the next round of muck draws, but I'm estimating that we're closer to the first scenario, b/c otherwise opponents are drawing 1 to a ten low? They're bad, but not that bad....

I pat, it's checked around to me and I pot it. Standard, or should I have bet less, given the cards out prior to the 2nd draw?

No they can't, not if no one is drawing to a nine. It's impossible.

I suppose you have to check it, otherwise some of the live cards will get folded back into play (unless those cards won't be reshuffled, so depends on the house rules!). You just have to take your chances that the two possible people who can beat you don't catch a nine. Four people are drawing to eights and so are drawing dead.

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That's just one example.

Yes, but if someone had that, than another has to be drawing to a 9 or worse, b/c not everyone can have four to an 8 or 7. That was his point. Certainly someone could have had a pair and there's a 2 thru 8 still available, but that comes at the expense of someone drawing to a 9 not an 8/7. Not really that germane to the question at hand - do you bet after the 2nd draw or not? You can keep everyone in with small/no bet, and therefore not have them add to the muck/redraw pile with their folds, essentially guaranteeing the pot (again, save for 1-2 cards that might be floating around in 2 thru 8 if they were pairs in hand and two people are drawing to a 9 in a seven way pot), or charge 2:1 for anyone wanting to draw to what is likely a 6:1 shot at making their hand.

No it isn't.

Again, there are only 28 cards 8 or below. If no one is drawing to a nine, then the first six players have 24 of them, and we have four of them. That is all 28. No one can be discarding a pair.


(Really the only thing that determines what we should do is how the house handles shuffling the discards. Our #1 priority is no small cards are put back into play. If they use for the third draw the same stub that dealt the second draw, then those are all big cards, so we can bet. If they reshuffle all discards for the third draw, unlikely, then we should never bet.)

This is a fun question - interesting game.

I have zero experience in the game. Joining the thread so I can learn and you can pretty much dismiss my take as it is not expert at all.

But I would would stand pat on the hand you have and bet again if checked to on the final street.

It's possible, but pretty unlikely that all 28 cards 8 or less are taken by the 7 players.

I think it's more likely that one of them is drawing to a 9 or worse.

Yeah - this is a game of newbs… someone could be drawing to a jack for all we know

someone could be holding an ace as well

Not out of the realm of possibilities, but I think by the 2nd draw the worst anyone is drawing to is a 9, and even that is far from likely. I'd put the % of all 28 2s thru 8s being in someone's drawing hand at ~95%. But yes, these players aren't good on the whole.

Conclusion: I ended up potting to charge anyone wanting to draw again, and they all folded.

You draw one to your #1 and get all your chips in when you make it or in trying to make it

I am reminded of the Abbott and Costello sketch. They are playing 5 card draw poker with two others. The fat guy Abbot needs the head. He goes. He is dealt in. Each of the other three take the worst card from their hands and exchange it with a card from the Abbott's hand. Abbott gets back from the head and finds himself with 2222X