Structure is $100 SB, $200 BB, $200 Ante (BB). $4k cap. 7 handed.

UTG tough pro opens to $400.
We 3B to $1200 in HJ with T9543.
Folds around to UTG who caps to $4k. We call.

He pats.

Would you break and draw to a 9? It's typical to run it twice.

J Lot

I’d flat pre. Now what else can you do other than pat?

It's a tough pro who is out of position to you. If they were in position, they might do this with a pat hand that is convertible to a good 1-card draw (e.g., 2467J), hoping to get you to fold pre. But since they have to declare first, they are usually going to be pat, and usually have you beat. I think this is a fold to their 4-bet.

@Greg
Is it still a 3b/fold though or would you advocate to flat the raise?

Did you say run it twice in 27 single draw? Wtf

Honestly, all 3 options seem fairly close. It is a hard hand to play well. It seems too strong to just fold. But if we just call, we are inviting in more players, and if that happens all we can do post-draw is to hope it checks around, and hope we win. If we raise to eliminate further players, we run into the same problem we are in.

If it were just one pip better, T8543, I would raise and call the shove. If he pats, I can then break as I'm almost always live with the 8543 draw. If he draws, we pat the T.

With this hand I would lean towards folding. But I admit I'm just not sure. Even though I don't get to play this game a lot, and I am very nitty, I still get plenty of action when I raise. So don't ever worry about not "giving" enough action in order to get action. That just isn't a real problem in any poker game IME.

This is normal in mix games

seems like this only works if allin predraw for the cap, the first player pats and the in position player draws 1.

I would think you could do it any time you are allin predraw. Regardless of the number of cards being drawn. The players expose the cards they are keeping, the dealer burns, deals them their "new" cards. They determine who wins half the pot. Get rid of the "new" cards each received, burn again, deal them "new" cards again. You could continue running it until there aren't enough cards left in the stub.

I've always thought 'no limit' games with a cap seemed really silly, but this takes the cake. A cap on total betting which is easily reached in the first betting round? A poker game where you can't bet your hand after you make it, and you can't really bluff

If players insist on having a cap, wouldn't it make more sense to have an individual cap on each street?

You might as well just run it through a calculator and do an equity chop, seems easier.

I think a cap is pretty standard in mixed games which include limit games. This 20xBB cap with ante seems pretty small though. Is this standard?

Obviously, there are only 2 betting rounds here, so harder to get 100xBB or whatever in anyway than in say PLO.

You see CAPs in big bet games when they are played as part of a mix typically.

As hand was played, I think it’s a clear D1.