Ok East Coast it’s usually always limit but then again I had considered 40/8 or 80/160 with eight different games to be a mixed game lol

I strongly prefer a smaller number of games. Having 20+ or even 10+ games in a mix doesn't let you get into a rhythm for any game. You don't need razzdeucy and razzdacey, etc. Pick one; pick the other another day

I miss the old days of ppl picking 1 or 2 games each at the start or playing a fairly set mix. Not a fan of a million games which I guess is obvious given that I think most the new ones are just bad games but once there are a ton of games in there I would way rather just play everything than have everyone whine about the one or two games out of 25 they dont want to play

Im surprised a simple mix of big bet games hasn’t become popular, for example PL-stud, NL, PLO, NL 2-7 or something like that. That kind mix has the most appeal to me.

I guess one unfortunate truth is that many casual poker players only know how to play 1-3 variants, but maybe I’m not giving people enough credit (this seems to be a recurring theme in the poker world)

We were trying to start a PL mix at a casino in LA in mid/late 2017 but ended up not working out for a variety of reasons. Lots of the people interested were regs in the normal mixed game and that game was a bigger priority for everyone and people were all over wrt what stakes they wanted between 5/10 and 25/50. The game went a few times. Main games were Stud 8, Badugi, 2-7 Triple Draw and Big O iirc. There's a rec I've known for years that I started the game at 10/20 HU with when there were no other games, I think we played just Badugi/Big O since PL Badugi is his favorite game and everyone loves Big O.

Back in I think late 2008 there was a 20/40 pot limit dealers choice game at Commerce that was super popular for a while. Pretty much every normal variant of poker from back then that you could think of was played including much less common games like Stud high low regular, 5 and 6 card Omaha high and high low variants, 5 card badugi, 6 card A-5 triple draw, Crazy Pineapple high and high low, prolly some others I've forgotten. Great game and it would be a dream come true for me these days. I probably got like 100-120 hours in it before it died.

I play $5 blind pot limit at a local casino somewhat often and enjoy it, there's a solid rec who plays aggro and draws action that plays long hours that I asked to try starting a $5 blind dealers choice or mixed game with me once a week but he didn't think there'd be enough interest to put in the effort/didn't seem super interested himself. It's much easier to get people at higher stakes to gamble on weird things since we are sick egotistical degenerates. In smaller games you're just gonna have so many guys that are in their comfort zone and scared to lose at something they don't understand. Playing like 40/80 or 50/100 limit is about the most boring thing I could imagine subjecting myself to in a casino but playing like 5/5 PL Badugi or triple draw high is something that I would happily go out of my way to take part in.

I do think big bet mix has a potentially very bright future at higher stakes as the games reward imagination and heart which favors both creative pros and recreational players whereas limit in general is not the greatest, especially since most the newer games are ones where everyone can rise to a reasonable level of competence very quickly.

maybe its true, the nature of big bet mixes means they will only find a place within highstakes circles. creativity and heart are perhaps my favorite aspects of poker (why i dream of a world where casino's run big-bet mix)

ive tried starting an iintrest list at my casino too, to no avail. meanwhile these casino's run O8 like its going out of style.

sometimes i find it seriously depressing how poker is dominated by NL, but i guess everything is cyclical. hopefully new variants emerge/remerge

Here in Colorado we have a $100 max bet, thus our games are played 5-100 spread limit. Additionally, triple draw, the 2-7 lowball ranking, and badugi are not legal. So it's interesting to imagine the optimum mix game assortment given these restrictions. If I were to make plaques for the game it would be something like:

10/20 Limit {Holdem, O/8, Omaha Hi, Pineapple, Crazy Pineapple}
2,5,10/20 Limit {Stud, Stud/8, Razz, Stud Hi/Lo Regular}
5/10/20bi-100 Spread Limit {A-5 Lowball, Draw Hi, Draw Hi/Lo}
2/5-100 Spread Limit {Holdem, O/8, Omaha Hi, Pineapple, Crazy Pineapple}

Then for the test games that we could play with permission from gaming:
10/20 Limit {2-7 Triple Draw, Badugi}
5/10/20bi-100 Spread Limit {2-7 Single Draw}
2/5-100 {5 Card Omaha, 5 Card Omaha/8}

Unfortunately, it looks like I'm the only one in the state that's willing to play all these games.

We played the high version of this in the Tuesday game a couple of years ago, but I don't think I've seen the lowball version in all my times playing.

My mix: 2-7 Dramaha, Archie (6's), 2-7 TD, B2 (badeucy), Razz, Stud 8, KCL, badugi.

What is KCL?

Kansas City lowball. Generally no limit, 2-7 single draw, I believe.

Confirmed

I'm jealous, I love that game but everyone that I play with hate it

Kansas City Lowball... NL 2-7 Single Draw

This is a fun question, but hard to answer without knowing the lineup. For example, in a tough line-up I would rather pluck my eyes out than play PL BigO without a very small cap. However, with certain players, BigO is an absolute must. Anyways, without any consideration of the line-up, if I were to play god in the mixed games I would have a mix along the following, which is admittedly pretty boring.

LHE
2-7 Razz
A-5 Triple Draw
2-7 Triple Draw
Stud8
Badugi
PLO (capped)
Baduecy
Stud High (there I said it!)
Archie (not because I love it, but because it jacks the table up)

With the right players, I'd add several more big bet games, all capped: BigO, Badugi, Double Draw High, and KCL.

I would love to sweat the hands of players who I mostly agree with in this thread or someone I've played with a lot that I respect for about 20 hours of badeucey/badacey to see what they are doing in some spots

I've been saying for a long time baduecy is probably the greatest game ever. Most live pros tend to share your sentiment though, hands take a long time, pots are chopped, game sucks. However, everyone that I know and respect that has put in significant volume of badeucy has come around full circle (DD included) and realized its may be the best poker variant there is. While they don't go to often ( i think ive got to play straight badeucy live like three times, but fair amount online) I'd even estimate that winrates can go north of 2 BB/hour and easily over 1BB despite the slowness of the game and amount of pots chopped.\

I'd also guess I've played more hands of it then anyone, which doesn't mean I'm any good at it but at least gives me a decent sample for estimating winrates.

Badacey/razzdeucy are stupid games

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw someone make a glaring error in Badeucey based on the hand they turned over from someone who isn't prone to making glaring errors in pretty much any game.

"Glaring error" being based entirely on my opinion of how the game should be played. It's entirely possible I am not good at the game and I fail to recognize their errors because I am making the same mistake.

I can think of some pretty clear and common mistakes I see people make in the game but they don't come close to some of the jaw dropping things I see people do in other games.

I think Badeucey is a fantastic pot limit game, however.

I see some glaring errors in Badeucey but much more prevalent in Archie, the Dramahas, Badugi, and Super Stud 8

Badeucey has more than Badacey, 2-7TD, and A-5TD though

Don’t mind Badeucey but do not like having both B2 and BA in same live mix though

Slight tangent: thoughts on all the pros calling badeucy and badacey in the WSOP dealers choice? It seems reasonable in the $1500 to beat the recs who've never played before and may not even know the rules but seems kinda silly in the $10,000 where nearly everyone is good and knows how to play. I recall DNegs suggesting people were calling it since they were at tough tables and figured these games were good for passing chips around the table without too much risk since they went slow, had lots of chops, and no one would have a huge edge.

Kind of doubt DNegs, every pro thinks they have an edge in at least one of the almost two dozen games offered

i'm not sure how much of your baduecy experince comes live vs online but if its all live you may not see the glaring errors because you only see their hands when they are a winner at showdown and usually something reasonable. so all of the times they call and take 2 on the end with 3-4-5, 34-7, 237 where its wrong to do so they just muck river and you don't think much of it or they call and you have badugi and assume they had 234 or something.

Further, you just don't play many hands of baduecy if there a bunch of games in the mix so small leaks don't really stick out unless you are really looking for it. But just to give an example, this week i played a hand where I opened UTG solid sb 3 bet and bb called. sb took 1 to 238(7). Its very unlikely they are going to make this magnitude of a mistake playing most other draw games.

Also, the river play in badeucy is probably the leakiest street of any format of poker that exists (except maybee pre-flop in archie and holdem). While in archie, more mistakes may get made, most players play the river pretty close to optimal. I mean its just really easy, if you have anything you probably call, if you have a bad low you usually check.

Ok I'm going to expose myself as a badeucy fish here and ask what was wrong with sb's play? It was keeping the 7, right? Because you want to maximize chance of a badugi even tho an 87 is pretty strong in this game.

maybe not just that but eating a cold 3b with an 8-tri when a solid SB's 3b range will be really strong seems pretty bad. like, at worst he's 3-betting with a wheel tri.

He was criticizing the SB who had the 238(7)

But what are the main criticisms of the play? This is one of those marginal spots where I think all plays can be considered and debated.

oh i misread, ok