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Old 03-22-2019, 09:32 PM   #1
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Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

Sorry if any of these are "standard" spots -- I'm a beginner! Playing 6 handed with solid regs and a few less good players.

Hand 1:
Predraw: Hero opens 7732K in HJ, Co and bb call
1st draw: bb d2, hero d2, co 1
Flop: Hero makes 7632K. Checks to co who bets, both call
2nd draw: all draw 1 (am I right to keep the 6?)
Turn: Hero makes 76632. Checks to co who bets, both call (should I raise?)
3rd draw: co d1, hero d1, co pat
River: Hero makes 76432. Bb leads, Hero?

Hand 2
LJ opens, I raise bb with T7632, he calls
1st draw: 1/1
Flop: I bet unimproved, he calls
2nd draw: 1/0
Turn: I check/call unimproved
3rd draw: 1/0
River: Hero makes a 9/9 and does ____?
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:17 AM   #2
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

hand 2 id still c-bet after it goes 1-pat
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:21 AM   #3
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

H1 looks like a mandatory raise at the end.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:33 AM   #4
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

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hand 2 id still c-bet after it goes 1-pat
Could you please expand on this? Why would I want to bet into a made hand without a badugi or made low? My 3 card isn't even all that great. I guess I could see it with a 234 3c or something where I'm freerolling likely.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:57 AM   #5
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

he probably has a hand like an 8 low bad 3 card which you are free rolling. if he doesn't then he has 99/TT which you aren't in worst shape against anyways and are gonna check call anyways
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:05 PM   #6
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

Hand one yes keep the Six otf, some people would keep it pre (234/6 for example), I wouldn't keep it without an Eight or Seven draw. If you check turn, you should c/r and call if reaised. Lead river regardless.

Hand two hey looky here that's what I was talking about, I play the same through the turn. I c/c river because we induced an early pat by checking turn. Check-raising is too much for our actual hand but for sure we may be scooping.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:57 PM   #7
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

zoogenheim, what games are in your rotation for this mix?
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:04 PM   #8
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

so in hand 1 OTF:

7(632)

is the consensus here to check/call instead of c-betting? or is our hand not improved enough to do so? i imagine if it were a 5 tri instead of 6 it'd be a for certain cb?

i feel like check/calling with a D1 turns our hand face up: especially when CO's flat pre and D1 can very possibly mean a hand similar to ours or weaker. is this not enough of a factor?
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:38 PM   #9
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so in hand 1 OTF:

7(632)

is the consensus here to check/call instead of c-betting? or is our hand not improved enough to do so? i imagine if it were a 5 tri instead of 6 it'd be a for certain cb?

i feel like check/calling with a D1 turns our hand face up: especially when CO's flat pre and D1 can very possibly mean a hand similar to ours or weaker. is this not enough of a factor?
If you c/c oop with a good distribution you will get to c/r the turn a lot for value and see the river for one bet or less when you want to.
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:43 PM   #10
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zoogenheim, what games are in your rotation for this mix?
Any number of:
Limit Holdem, Limit Omaha, O8, Big O (limit or cap), Stud, Stud8, Razz, Razzdugi, Archie (Sixes for hi), Badugi, Badacey, Badeucey, 2-7 TD, A-5 TD. I think Pineapple, PLO and NLH have placques but I've never seen them in the mix. There was a rumor that the gaming commission approved Dramaha and Double-Board games and possibly even super stud variants, but I've never seen them in the game. Caveat: Haven't played in a couple of months.
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Old 03-23-2019, 08:11 PM   #11
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If you c/c oop with a good distribution you will get to c/r the turn a lot for value and see the river for one bet or less when you want to.
oh interesting, never really considered that potential benefit. so basically this hand here is an example of that, correct?

also, how often will you be able to check/raise when people are often just checking back against a D1 with their own D1?

and thanks for the outline of the games. seems really interesting, wish they had something like that out here in LA at the stakes i'd play.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:40 PM   #12
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

I often have the spot in split pot games where I’m in the middle multi-way intending to scoop and don’t know whether to call and let people in behind or to raise, which is awesome when you get cold called but terrible when everyone folds and you lose a bet. I get the sense generally that I should raise since it gives me a chance to get the cold call for 2 bets and the extra bet from the bettor. But what if I think I’m only good for half? It’d be bad to lose the bet from the player still to act only to get the extra bet then chop from the bettor. How likely are we to scoop in hand 1?
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Old 03-24-2019, 12:23 AM   #13
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

Assume you're asking about the possible c/r on the turn. Hand one you have a strong badugi and a draw to a smooth hand. A villain behind with say an Eight badugi and an Eight draw is not folding, nor are any made Eights. In this lineup I'd expect most three-cards with decent draws to take two to the face often enough, and naked three-cards that you are vulnerable to probably fold. All that means raising has got to be worth more than flatting, especially now that the pot is big.
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Old 03-24-2019, 04:41 AM   #14
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If you c/c oop with a good distribution you will get to c/r the turn a lot for value and see the river for one bet or less when you want to.
actually forgot a bit about the actual hand:

this is pretty much the scenario to do this with, correct? i.e. we opened pre, we D2'd and one player D1'd. so we can disguise our range with our own D1 expecting him to bet once we check, and potentially on future streets, correct?

i.e. if we D1'd on the first draw and he D1'd as well, we couldn't often expect him to bet?
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Old 03-24-2019, 04:11 PM   #15
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i.e. if we D1'd on the first draw and he D1'd as well, we couldn't often expect him to bet?
Yes, precisely.
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:02 AM   #16
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

In hand 2, people suggested leading turn after 1/0 due to our relative hand stength. But if we really want to get more money in for value, why not check raise? Villain surely is betting after 1/0 and the same number of bets go in if we check call vs bet and get called.
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:06 AM   #17
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

The way I read it, I thought op was asking about the river, after BB leads.

If so, raise the 7/7, even w the passive CO behind you. You and BB both took 1 on 3rd draw, while CO pat/bet turn and should rarely fold river here. If BB made something like (2357)8 and you made (2346)2, the action would often be the same, so if CO has something like (234)78 she’s still getting half.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:37 AM   #18
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Re: Two $50/100 Badeucy Hands

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In hand 2, people suggested leading turn after 1/0 due to our relative hand stength. But if we really want to get more money in for value, why not check raise? Villain surely is betting after 1/0 and the same number of bets go in if we check call vs bet and get called.
I check back frequently in 1/0 spots so the same amount f bets don’t go in if he check back 8 Low And three card eight
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