Let's say your dealt 555T6 in Drawmaha hi. Absent any other factors (flush or straight draws to the board), are you better off drawing one or two?

Let's say the flop comes T42r. Do you keep the T, hoping to hit trips on the board? If you don't, you have a very low chance of scooping.

I prefer drawing 1 to the 6 or even 2 because i do not value pair of tens very much. 6 allready provides a gutshot straight draw and we may pick up an open ender and other useful cards, including backdoor flush draws and high cards above t that can pair up.

We flopped a gutter with nut potential, definitely keep the Six.

We didn't specify the preflop action which is important. Much different if we are up against a pair higher than tens versus a weaker range.

Keeping the 6 instead of a ten against a weaker range appears to be a quite sizeable mistake.

Even against a higher pair it appears we have more 5 card Omaha Hi equity by keeping the ten.

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: t 4 2

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5h 5s 5d Ts *	33.95%	202,695	1,962
As Ad * * *	66.05%	395,343	1,962

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: t 4 2

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5h 5s 5d 6s *	29.99%	179,013	1,840
As Ad * * *	70.01%	419,147	1,840

D2 is always worst option

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

1,215,240 trials (Exhaustive)

board: t 4 2

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5h 5s 5d tc *	67.44%	818,535	1,940
8s 8d 9h 9s *	32.56%	394,765	1,940

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

1,215,240 trials (Exhaustive)

board: t 4 2

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5h 5s 5d 6c *	35.36%	429,595	122
8s 8d 9h 9s *	64.64%	785,523	122

We're less likely to fill keeping the Ten, and I think that's significant in this game but maybe not enough to offset the couple percent we give up per your chart. Much more likely to see higher pairs in villain's hand than anything else, since at least one raise must've gone in pre. Difficult to improve our Omaha hand (over TT) if we keep the Ten, and no immediate nut potential.

I have barely played this game, but that's why I would keep the Six.

I was somewhat surprised that equity wise we fare better keeping the ten even in the times we are up against a high pair. So given that I think it's clear that we should always keep the ten in a HU situation.

Villain can have many strong draw hands that do not contain a high pair in his hand, trips of his own, two medium pair and so forth. And in steal/defend situations players will always have holdings with medium pairs. Nutiness of making a straight is a factor but the times he does not have a pair of JJ+ in hole we are really hampering ourselves keeping the 6.

Multi-way I'd say we can keep the 6 though

Agree that the pre-flop and flop action is very relevant but still stand by the assumption that drawing to the 6 is the preferred, standard play and dont mind a small decrease in omaha equity. We should also increase our odds of making a boat or better by 50%, which is certainly not a trivial amount, there are plenty of ways our draw hand can lose.

If we keep the ten, hero may very well choose to pat, which may produce greater fold equity, since filling up is a long shot and both t and 6 are at least slightly valuable, or at least could be replaced by lower-value omaha cards.

Drawing to the 6 only when HU is quite illogical based upon equity broken off when not up against JJ-AA and keeping the T even fares slightly better against those hands too. I mean you can do it for whatever reasons you may have but don’t see how you can call it “standard”.

Pat can possibly be considered though, should be checked out

Oh you also mentioned a small decrease in Omaha equity. 30% swing is not a small decrease.

If we were just talking about 34 or 30 I’d say taking the 30 is fine especially with straight. But we are not.

I do not find the sims posted as compelling evidence for keeping the t. For example, drawing to the 6 will have much improved equity vs jj-kk overpairs, sets and maybe even at. Aaxxx is misleading.

I agree keeping the t is more attractive in certain hu situations.

Also i think if we are going to construct omaha sims we should at least estimate our equity improved and uninproved for the draw side.

I also understand that without context this can be unnecesarily complicated but stand by my statement that drawing 1 to the 6 should be the standard play here, and that an expert can d1 to the t or pat situationally. Which would mostly be in a hu situation where villain could reasonable draw to a pair lower than t.

No idea what you are talking about in regards to the JJ-KK keeping the six does not fare better:

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: T 4 2

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KK* * *	64.60%	386,664	1,915
5c 5h 5s Tc *	35.40%	211,421	1,915

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: T 4 2

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KK* * *	68.57%	410,393	2,010
5c 5h 5s 6c *	31.43%	187,597	2,010

On the draw side the decision to keep the ten instead of the 6 probably would not move your equity on the draw more than a half a % point

Certain ranges will have more AA-JJ, but all ranges will have plenty of other stuff too, we can go through that if you wish. But in general on average I'd estimate keeping the 6 HU is breaking off at least an average of 15% on the Omaha side.


The board has thus rejected the motion to call it standard lol

So keeping the ten allows us to hit 2 pair outs for the omaha hand vs any overpair situation. Trips is generally not going to be outdrawn for the draw hand. I'm not surprised by these sim results and don't see the argument for keeping the 6.