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Old 04-14-2021, 01:31 PM   #1
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Triple draw: ten on the turn OOP

This forum seems kinda dead, but I'll try anyway.

I played a SCOOP triple draw tournament last night. Twice in the space of four hands I was HU out of position, the 2nd draw went 1:1, and I made a ten with a strong draw underneath (T7542 and T7632). I should just check and draw here, right? My opponent is a favourite to have either made a better hand already or to do so on the last draw, and I have good implied odds.

Presumably I should bet-fold the turn if I somehow ended up with T8754. What about T8652? T8643? T6xxx? T5?

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Old 04-14-2021, 04:15 PM   #2
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Re: Triple draw: ten on the turn OOP

usually with good draws like those you can check/call/draw if they bet, and check/pat if they check behind. with that junky T8 you mentioned you can lead turn and go from there, i.e. the b/f line with a draw, if you broke it, would be pretty bad.

i'd consider the other T8 draws in similar enough category with the first hand, good enough to check/call draw or check/pat, if they check behind.

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Old 04-18-2021, 08:50 AM   #3
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Re: Triple draw: ten on the turn OOP

Thanks a lot. Makes sense. I'm turning my hand face up though, so as a default (without reads) do you call the river?

What about when you catch a nine instead? Bet/call, then (if you get raised) draw or pat? I think I'm way too sticky in this spot (not wanting to break). I guess you could even 3-bet your absolute worst nines.
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:25 PM   #4
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Re: Triple draw: ten on the turn OOP

your check/call range here in 1/1 OTT OOP is kinda wacky, yes. so to provide balance you can check/call here with those T's as described but also some strong 8's and checkraise those 8's OTR. this way your check turn, check river line isn't always a T. additionally you further protect that range by always calling some portion of your T's, like your strongest ones, so you can't just be auto folding to an opponent's river bet. you put your an opponent in a spot where he knows you are weak but he knows he will face a call or raise just enough he can't just bet with impunity.

9 you usually bet, then call if getting raised in 1/1. you're gonna have opponents make a wide range of actions here, depending on position. for example, if this were SB/BB HUHU you'd basically have to bet/call any 9 and prob call most river bets because the chance they're snowing is going to be a lot higher, than say if you were LJ pre and HJ 3-bet you and D1'd.

i wouldn't want to be 3-betting any 9 here because you're not making an opponent break an 8, you're getting demolished when they 4-bet you, and if they were crazy enough to raise you with 2457T here, now they'll probably break.
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Old 04-28-2021, 03:50 AM   #5
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Re: Triple draw: ten on the turn OOP

Thanks a lot, kisada. Sounds like a good way to balance my range here. These turn spots are really interesting - lots to think about. And I can now see that 3-betting a 9 on the turn is particularly bad.
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