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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
But if CO raised and you 3! and CO 4!s, then maybe draw 2.
This exact question was discussed between some excellent players and jackasses of my acquaintance, and this line in particular seems quite villain dependent. If you have tough opponents who are not afraid to jam their equity or set up plays three-ways, you could easily find yourself in a big pot where you have gained no real insight, and watch the draws go 2:1:2, where folding mistakes you make later will be for more money.
I was initially of the 3b D1 school, with a backup of D2 if 4b, but against a certain type of aggressive player who could 4b a bad D1 and likely quick pat a lot of trashy hands, flatting the 4b and staying D1 to avoid forfeiting hot/cold equity vs wide pat/D1 range would be better, showing down the hand vs them with a high frequency.
The argument for D2 as a routine is that we don't surrender that much equity 3-ways, but four percent seems like a lot to abandon (if it is actually that much) in favor of playability, an argument we wouldn't listen to if a holdem player said he preferred T9o over T9ss because he wouldn't make as many dominated flushes (this is a bad analogy let me have it this one time ffs). If we stay D1 then we are crushing the caller's range if not the opener's, but D2 it's more of a horse race. I would love to draw cards for money again some day and work on spots like this, but for the moment I'm just thinking out loud from the lonely forever dusk of a pokerless quarantine.
I don't know if 3b D1 is fundamentally better than flat/D2, but I know for sure flat/D1 is going to be a trainwreck unless you've built a significant history and covered your weaker D1s by flatting say 2345 or 2346 some of the time.