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TD Dramaha; tourney hand. Tune-up Part 4 TD Dramaha; tourney hand. Tune-up Part 4

09-17-2020 , 07:23 PM
Fixed limit. The betting is *after* the draw because triple-draw.

Dealing 1200 2400 Triple Draw Dramaha

ODB Phat Mack blinds 600
Chango blinds 1200
1 OMC Bayz 1650 0 [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]
3 ODB Phat Mack 45100 600 [5d] [8d] [Ts] [7c] [7h]
4 Chango 23300 1200 [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]
5 > Portlando 10750 0 [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]
6 Desonex 37400 0 [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]

Portlando calls
Desonex calls
OMC Bayz raises 450 to 1650 and is all-in
It is 1050 to you
ODB Phat Mack calls
Chango folds
Portlando calls
Desonex calls

Board: 9c 5c Tc

You must discard between 0 and 5 cards
ODB Phat Mack draws 3
My cards are: [4c] [Ah] [As] [7c] [7h]
Portlando draws 2
Desonex draws 1
OMC Bayz draws 3
It is 0 to you
ODB Phat Mack checks!? (This is an attempted check-raise.)
Portlando checks
Desonex checks
1 OMC Bayz 0 1650 [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]
3 > ODB Phat Mack 44050 1650 [4c] [Ah] [As] [7c] [7h]
4 [Chango] 23300[1200]
5 Portlando 9100 1650 [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]
6 Desonex 35750 1650 [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ]
Board: 9c 5c Tc Qd

You must discard between 0 and 5 cards

Do I pat here and try to get mileage out of my 7-high flush, or do I draw to a four-out full house and/or a higher flush?
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09-17-2020 , 09:28 PM
Never played this variation - seems bad.

Trivial fold pre. That hand is trash.

I would draw 1, think it is unlikely you win with a low flush (less than 25%). Also don't think your hand is strong enough to go for the xr anyway. Bet/call seems better. Not even a super clear bet as the player who drew 3 is protected and we started with such a bad hand.
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09-18-2020 , 08:13 AM
The draw part is high?
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09-18-2020 , 08:27 AM
Both draw and omaha are high. Neither has a qualifier.
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10-13-2020 , 02:31 AM
Hi

not sure if it's appropriate to necro bump thread but I like dramaha so much and got curious so ran some calculation with odds oracle.

ignoring player's ranges at play, there's 56% chance of at least one opponent holding higher flush.



I don't think anybody would dare to represent nut flush on multiway pot but if we consider chance of at least one opponent holding higher flush or naked A clover blocker, probability increases to 65%.

probably nobody discarded any clovers on the flop so actual probability of beaten on omaha board would be much higher than this so I am not really sure if you can stand heat if you get action.

I will do more math to back it up if you are interested but I have gut feeling that breaking that 4c and draw to nut full house or better flush seems like more +Ev choice unless you can go to cheap showdown.
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10-13-2020 , 05:37 PM
I couldn't read the link above, so I tried to approximate it on PPT odds oracle:

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 Professional)
5-card Omaha Hi, Generic syntax
Board - 9c5cTc Dead - 5d8dTs
PLAYER_1 4cAhAs7c7h
PLAYER_2 **
PLAYER_3 **
PLAYER_4 **
PLAYER_5 **
600000 trials (randomized)


All-in Equity
 Equity %Wins Hi %Ties Hi %Wins Hi CountTies Hi Count 
4cAhAs7c7h26.7798%26.7685%0.0227%160611136 
**18.2637%18.2032%0.1210%109219726 
**18.2722%18.2120%0.1205%109272723 
**18.4020%18.3443%0.1153%110066692 
**18.2823%18.2248%0.1148%109349689 


How often do(es)
at least 1 player have the nut hi on the flop

26.9443% (161666)

I was interested in the nut flush, because that would be the difficult one to push out.

I am also operating under the assumption that it would be easier to squeeze a better, but non-nut, flush multi-way.

I'm also assuming that a dry ace is perfectly capable of jamming here, especially with a 5-card hand of some type.

I'm also assuming that non-nut flushes are not going anywhere with a 5-card hand to show down.

I'm also assuming I'm toast.
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10-13-2020 , 07:02 PM
let me try again





on Ace of clover, my bad for treating it as blocker. I misread title and assumed it was SD Dramaha. so yeah, anyone holding Ac is not folding no matter what we do lol

and if that is the case, he's blocking one of our out to full house so I don't see anything great coming out of this hand most of the time

I hope villains were passive and you got to SD somehow

Spoiler:
could you hint me where can I play Dramaha tourney online? I only have access to occasional cash game on private app games and this looks wild
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10-17-2020 , 01:03 AM
Is it $1200/$2400 is dollars, some fraction of bit coins, or tournament chips?
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10-17-2020 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
Is it $1200/$2400 is dollars, some fraction of bit coins, or tournament chips?
Look at the thread title: tourney hand.
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