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Old 09-23-2018, 11:33 AM   #1
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some hands limit 27 triple draw

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Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20 USD) - 2018/09/23
6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($10.63 in chips)
Seat 2: Villain ($1.06 in chips)
Seat 4: Button ($3.93 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.05
Villain: posts big blind $0.10
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kc 2s Jd 4d Kd]
Button: folds
H: raises $0.10 to $0.20
V: raises $0.10 to $0.30
H: calls $0.10

He normally playing tight, but today he is looser and draws to a 9 high (i feel so and saw 2 times, often bets afer third draw when he discards 1 card) . i think he dont raises a 3 card draw here and maybe also not the worst 2 card draws, but 1:5 should be the odds (also oop). what is your worst 3 card draw you are raising here? I think normally it is good because you only calls 25% of preflop raises.

*** FIRST DRAW ***
H: discards 3 cards [Kc Jd Kd]
Dealt to H [2s 4d] [Ah 8c Td]
V: discards 1 card
H: checks
V: bets $0.10
H: calls $0.10

I think i can call here, i dont know an calculator to go through a scenario like this, but 1:7 looks okay to call.

*** SECOND DRAW ***
H: discards 2 cards [Ah Td]
Dealt to H [2s 4d 8c] [4s Qd]
V: discards 1 card
H: checks
V: bets $0.20

Odds are 1:5 which means i need 16,6% EQ to call and i dont know if i can get it here. I dont have information at the third draw OOP, but my only valuebetting opponent shows aggression, so i fold.

H: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.20) returned to V
V collected $0.76 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.80 | Rake $0.04
Seat 1: H(small blind) folded after the 2nd Draw
Seat 2: V (big blind) collected ($0.76)
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Old 09-23-2018, 03:05 PM   #2
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

i limp all of my d3's in sb. otherwise looks pretty standard.
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:09 PM   #3
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i limp all of my d3's in sb. otherwise looks pretty standard.
Limping is good at a full table but I think it's correct to raise 3H. Well-played hand by OP
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:51 PM   #4
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

thought it was 6handed. i agree
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:56 AM   #5
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

I'm such a nit. I would just open fold here, rather than play a D3 out of position. If the 4 was a 7 or maybe an 8 I might be more inclined to raise/call pre first draw.

As played, after the first draw I check/fold. Position is so important in draw games IMO - having drawn 3 vs a D1 and not picked up much improvement I think it's optimistic to continue.

I acknowledge I don't know a lot of the maths here but against the players in my home game I think I need to be this tight.
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Old 09-24-2018, 01:27 PM   #6
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

that's way too tight. you have good immediate odds and good implied odds. also, i'm pretty sure 24 is better than 27, and you're not gonna need much to run this guy down anyway. you can easily bet a 9 on river if dude pats.
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:53 PM   #7
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

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thought it was 6handed. i agree
Its a heads up game cuz everybody folded. Does it matter how many started hand? I think it matters little if at all.
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Old 09-25-2018, 01:42 AM   #8
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It’s a heads up game cuz everybody folded. Does it matter how many started hand? I think it matters little if at all.
Their reason is probably due to card removal so when 4 people fold in theory there are more premium cards in BBs hand on average.

I’m torn because when you limp a D3 you give around 45% equity and position to a lone deuce or other single low card. Drawbacks to raising of course is that you more often get money in bad predraw
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Old 09-25-2018, 02:28 AM   #9
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

i think i like raising in general, feels like the population 3bets a bit less than what they should with good 2cd and marginal 1cd
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Old 09-25-2018, 02:30 AM   #10
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Their reason is probably due to card removal so when 4 people fold in theory there are more premium cards in BBs hand on average.

Im torn because when you limp a D3 you give around 45% equity and position to a lone deuce or other single low card. Drawbacks to raising of course is that you more often get money in bad predraw
Id bet the difference that a 4 vs 6-handed game has on this hand is extremely close to zero
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Old 09-25-2018, 04:26 AM   #11
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Id bet the difference that a 4 vs 6-handed game has on this hand is extremely close to zero
The game is 3h
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Old 09-25-2018, 02:32 PM   #12
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

6h I think its reasonable to limp D3s with zero blockers but raise with blockers

Certainly I think it would be a mistake to limp 2424K
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Old 09-25-2018, 03:19 PM   #13
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

I like raising vs a tight bb since it gives us a chance to risk 1 extra to win 1.5 and even when we're raised we have still at least ~35% equity if not 45%. Just take it down vs d4/d5, and people tend to under defend anyways so they may incorrectly fold a d3 or even rough d2.
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Old 09-25-2018, 05:10 PM   #14
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

I think you risk 1.5 to win 1.5.
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Old 09-26-2018, 10:29 AM   #15
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

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I think you risk 1.5 to win 1.5.
Yes it's risk 1.5 to win 1.5 but I phrased it as 1 extra as in 1 more than the 0.5 we'd put in to limp. I did this because we're not considering folding.

Fleshing out my logic:
Path A: put in 0.5 and have 0% chance to win pot immediately
Path B: put in 1.5 and have some chance to win pot immediately, maybe as high as 30% or more
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Old 09-26-2018, 05:48 PM   #16
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

It's 1.5 more than the 0.5, isn't it?
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Old 09-27-2018, 11:17 PM   #17
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

I'm counting the sb aka 0.5 as being already in the pot as it's committed.
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Old 09-28-2018, 06:49 AM   #18
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

Yeah, me too.
The money in the pot doesn't belong to anybody anymore.
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Old 09-29-2018, 05:47 AM   #19
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

Thank you all for feedback.^^

but what about: How do you copy your handhistory without your names? Is this possible witf fpdb or pokerstars?

and where do you play? i am from germany, dont know if i can play on the same sites like you.

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i'm pretty sure 24 is better than 27
i heard negreanu said that 234 is better than 237 in heads up but 237 is better against any other hand. but i dont know if 234 is the next best hand to 237..

24 has little straight potential but we can make good 86 hands.
27 has no straight potential but we cant make 86 hands.

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Old 09-29-2018, 07:43 AM   #20
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

Comparing 234 and 237 is one thing.
Comparing 24 and 27 is another thing imo.
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Old 09-30-2018, 02:15 AM   #21
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Comparing 234 and 237 is one thing.
Comparing 24 and 27 is another thing imo.
It's irrelevant. Cant imagine any scenario where I would play one but not the other.
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Old 09-30-2018, 01:05 PM   #22
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Re: some hands limit 27 triple draw

I agree.
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