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08-24-2018 , 12:19 PM

zoogenhiem

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Suppose it's a 7 handed dealer's choice mix where I can choose between 2-7td, badugi, badacey, badeucy. Assume I'm similarly skilled in all games and everyone else is a learning player in all games. What game should I pick? I.e. In what game is my relative edge greatest

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08-24-2018 , 02:42 PM

monikrazy

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Badeucey
Badacey
2-7
Badugi

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08-24-2018 , 07:28 PM

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I still haven't decided which has a lower average skill level between Badeucey and Badacey, but against learning players the two split pot games should give you a bigger edge. I think because straights don't count some players draw rough too often in the Ace derived game. In both even basic questions like when to keep a suited inside card are unclear.

I'm not sure 2-7TD is more profitable than Badugi either, but I haven't played enough. The information available on Badugi is scarcer, and some players never snow and don't know which tris to bet on the end. However it goes I'd group the split pot games into a tier above either one-way game.

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08-24-2018 , 07:45 PM

zoogenhiem

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Agreed if people might overplay 1 way draws and even pat terrible badugis, then the split pot games rule. Agreed then badeucy is best to let people draw rough.

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08-26-2018 , 11:42 PM

DeathDonkey

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It's hard to imagine its one of the split games unless villains play very quickly. Winrate takes into account either number of hands or time played

B* games are very slow, less hands per hour hurts winrate. It may not be enough to swing it over, I'm not sure. Honestly all those games are fantastic if they are bad.

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08-27-2018 , 12:05 PM

ScotchOnDaRocks

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Yeah, B2 and BA 7 handed will be slow and lots of reshuffling the deck

Badugi would probably be the best all things considered

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08-27-2018 , 01:23 PM

electrical

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Most players, even some otherwise excellent players, don't appreciate how difficult it is to improve in Badugi, and especially with novices in the game I would pick Badugi. If you can internalize the relative strengths of Badugi hands and draws, then it is possible to have an enormous edge over players who will draw dead, put in too much action and then fold rivers etc.

A certain class of slightly-more-experienced player will also make too many moves, over-rep hands and generally go nuts, which is one of the easiest leaks to exploit.

I agree that Badeucey and Badacey have more nuance, but you lose half the pot to random crap a lot so I'm on team Badugi.

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08-27-2018 , 05:50 PM

prototypepariah

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

It's hard to imagine its one of the split games unless villains play very quickly. Winrate takes into account either number of hands or time played

B* games are very slow, less hands per hour hurts winrate. It may not be enough to swing it over, I'm not sure. Honestly all those games are fantastic if they are bad.

exactly, beat me too it. if you could play a zillion hands fast the split b's but you dont so badugi or triple.. and frankly i think triple usually is better. but all these games, its so player dependent.

these games all suck when youre stuck 50 bets and everyone is drawing 3 reshuffling and youre getting 8 hands a half. you wish everyone just played lhe and you coild go back to complaining about losing to 96 suited.

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