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06-11-2011 , 09:41 AM
Congrats Sheebz!! Very impressive!!
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06-11-2011 , 10:36 AM
I recognize 8 of the 9 final names. It shouldn't surprise me though, 10K for a less common game generally is going to bring out the bigger names.
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06-11-2011 , 12:19 PM
Great showing by Sheebz.
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06-11-2011 , 12:28 PM
Damn, I was rooting for a final table! Anyway 18k profit is supersweet, and in a field like this, and with this structure, it is almost impossible to fluke your way to cashing, nice job!
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06-11-2011 , 03:09 PM
Nice job Sheebz!
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06-11-2011 , 04:13 PM
I was card dead for a while. Raymer 3bet me large twice when I had soft T8 draws to take about 20k off my stack. Had a wheel draw with 80k left in my stack and opted to flat a 40k open with two callers and in position for a showdown, binked the king and lost the pot then the final hand happened with 3 minutes left until day three.
That was a tough field, way stronger than the 1500$.
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06-11-2011 , 04:24 PM
Nice run!
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06-11-2011 , 06:10 PM
I am going to ask the floor manager for all of the structure sheets today to scan them in and post so you guys can get an idea of what runs as far as Draw games and the buy-ins/structures of the different events.
Shaun Deebs was my pick to win this event not sure what happened he was 2nd in chips going into day two and got mixed up in some large hands. I am willing to bet he was just being creative and that's what it takes to win this so GG Deebzie, I think Joe Cassidy has a solid game..he is my pick to win it.
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06-11-2011 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheebz13
I am going to ask the floor manager for all of the structure sheets today to scan them in and post so you guys can get an idea of what runs as far as Draw games and the buy-ins/structures of the different events.
Shaun Deebs was my pick to win this event not sure what happened he was 2nd in chips going into day two and got mixed up in some large hands. I am willing to bet he was just being creative and that's what it takes to win this so GG Deebzie, I think Joe Cassidy has a solid game..he is my pick to win it.
From pokernews it seemed like Cassidy crippled him when he made a #2ish type hand vs Shaun's 98762 or something. Hope Shaun can give us details of that hand.
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06-12-2011 , 01:27 AM
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We Have a New Chip Leader



With about four hundred thousand in the pot already, Phil Hellmuth stood pat while Juanda drew one. Hellmuth fired out a big bet of 420,000 and Juanda made the call.

"Good call, JJ" said Hellmuth as Juanda turned up his T8653.

This massive pot brings Juanda up to 2,600,000 while Hellmuth falls to 1,200,000.

"I need a hand John, I need to catch something" Hellmuth said to Juanda after the last pot. Hellmuth seems to be losing momentum in this match, unable to win a pot of any substance.
Action predraw was
JJ: raise to about 60k
Hellmuth: 220k total
JJ: Call

Which hands can hellmuth do this with? He bet about pot postdraw. If he was snowing, why so much? wouldnt about half the pot do the trick? Betting pot for value win anything less than T8 seems pretty awful
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06-12-2011 , 02:09 AM
Anyone know of a game of skill other than poker that people in US can play online for real money? Since Black Friday I have been spending too much time on trying to perfect games like puerto rico, agricola and dominion which are awesome and fun games and cool to be good at but will never make me any money.
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06-12-2011 , 03:30 AM
So now we know Juanda built his roll playing 2-7 Lowball headsup at the commerce. LOL
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06-12-2011 , 03:44 AM
lol, 3rd consecutive 10k 2-7 ft for the win! Hellmuth needs tiltcontrol
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06-12-2011 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Randomness28
Anyone know of a game of skill other than poker that people in US can play online for real money? Since Black Friday I have been spending too much time on trying to perfect games like puerto rico, agricola and dominion which are awesome and fun games and cool to be good at but will never make me any money.
I'd played 10-20 games of dominion in real life, but I just started playing on Isotropic last week. It is amazing. If you ever do find a place to play dominion for money online, maybe you shouldn't tell me about it.

To properly answer your question, I wonder if the "skill game" sites are still up? Stuff like worldwinner.

Congrats Iron and Sheebz on the cashes.
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06-12-2011 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Randomness28
Anyone know of a game of skill other than poker that people in US can play online for real money? Since Black Friday I have been spending too much time on trying to perfect games like puerto rico, agricola and dominion which are awesome and fun games and cool to be good at but will never make me any money.
Unsure if you can play backgammon?

And btw, you play Agricola online? I have the boardgame and its more of a skillgame then I first thought so having that online would be kewl.
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06-12-2011 , 01:53 PM
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Action predraw was
JJ: raise to about 60k
Hellmuth: 220k total
JJ: Call

Which hands can hellmuth do this with? He bet about pot postdraw. If he was snowing, why so much? wouldnt about half the pot do the trick? Betting pot for value win anything less than T8 seems pretty awful
Maybe it's his approach to polarize here and not bet a lot of predraw pats post. And given the frequency of really good pat hands he wants to choose a large bet size to get paid off when he has it and needs to bet large with his snows as well. If he is attempting to bet worse for value I'd also think he should probably choose a smaller bet size for his general strategy.

A friend and I were interested by the hand Ashby crippled himself when Eff stacks ~950k, 10k/20k/5k, PH opens to 55k, RA makes it 150k, PH 4bets to 400k, RA calls. PH pat, RA pats behind. PH bets 550k post which is about what RA has left. What type of hands would you consider call/folding half your stack with? It seems like RA is never going to have a hand he's calling with post and is hoping Hellmuth doesn't turn marginal pats into a bluff.

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06-12-2011 , 04:17 PM
I was thinking along the lines of asian online gambling games like go-stop and other hanafuda variants. I really know nothing about these games other than that they are played online for real money. Anyone know about hanafuda and the money making potential of online play for an American?
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06-13-2011 , 12:37 AM
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Maybe it's his approach to polarize here and not bet a lot of predraw pats post. And given the frequency of really good pat hands he wants to choose a large bet size to get paid off when he has it and needs to bet large with his snows as well. If he is attempting to bet worse for value I'd also think he should probably choose a smaller bet size for his general strategy.
From what Ive read, Juanda was pretty happy with betting large against pat hands with any drawn to ten or better, so I think Hellmuth would checkraise almost his entire strong pat hand range? Maybe that is the reason Juanda was able to call with a T8, which can really only beat a bluff.

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A friend and I were interested by the hand Ashby crippled himself when Eff stacks ~950k, 10k/20k/5k, PH opens to 55k, RA makes it 150k, PH 4bets to 400k, RA calls. PH pat, RA pats behind. PH bets 550k post which is about what RA has left. What type of hands would you consider call/folding half your stack with? It seems like RA is never going to have a hand he's calling with post and is hoping Hellmuth doesn't turn marginal pats into a bluff.
Really strange indeed. I cant think of any hand he could/should do it with. Maybe he figured he was way behind PHs 4bet/pat range (PH seemed play almost all pathands slow and potcontrolling predraw), so he decided to call and see if hellmuth drew. If PH pat/bets he folds and if he draws he can evaluate. Hmm, cant really think of more sound reasons for call4bet/folding
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06-13-2011 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CoogiBadugi
From what Ive read, Juanda was pretty happy with betting large against pat hands with any drawn to ten or better, so I think Hellmuth would checkraise almost his entire strong pat hand range? Maybe that is the reason Juanda was able to call with a T8, which can really only beat a bluff.
I would think generally it would be difficult to snow if that was his plan (to c/r his good pats).
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06-13-2011 , 11:34 PM
Well as I am a bit slow, I've only just read through the 10k 2-7SD on PokerNews, but still wanted to chime in a congrats to Sheebz and FossilMan on cashing, and to any other 2+2ers that I don't know of that did well.

But the big shout out (that no one seems to have made?) has to go to Bakes! Final tabling after taking it down last year, even in a relatively small field, is a huge achievement. Would have been nice to go back to back, but wasn't to be. The 40 extra k should take the sting out of that somewhat though

GL to everyone in the 2-7TD and the mixed games (cash and tourney); nice to see both an 8-game and a 10-game WSOP events this year. Hopefully the DOP forum will do as well as they have been so far!

Anyone thinking about/definitely playing the 50k Players Championship?
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06-15-2011 , 02:49 PM
Played a few hands vs Bakes in the 10k NLSD. Middle of the 2nd day, I drop in on a new tough table with a short stack around 18-20k, Bakes has the tourney chip lead and makes a small raise in early position and I call hu in the bb for around 3k with 235T. I catch a J and take 15 seconds to check before he puts me all in for 15k in a 7.5k pot and I took about 30 seconds before I called and won. Felt like an easy decision considering I was a new unknown looking nervous and him having chip lead.

A number of rounds later after Bakes has been very active reraising a ton of pots and with me folding over and over I raise Utg to 5k with 2358T and about 38k behind, Bakes 2 behind me reraises to 13k and it folds back to me. I tanked for a solid 3 minutes or so deciding whether to ship and pat or call and draw. I ended up feeling like he was going to be a lot stronger here after seeing how tight I was playing and considering how active he had been already. I called and broke against his pat hand and then got the T back!! With around 28k in the pot I was at a loss again for whether to ship all in for my last 25k for value or check evaluate. Tanked for another 2 minutes or so and check folded to his all-in. Felt kinda dirty but I went with my read of the situation and felt okay about it until I couldn't get in another pot and got blinded down to nothing.
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06-15-2011 , 11:48 PM
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Played a few hands vs Bakes in the 10k NLSD. Middle of the 2nd day, I drop in on a new tough table with a short stack around 18-20k, Bakes has the tourney chip lead and makes a small raise in early position and I call hu in the bb for around 3k with 235T. I catch a J and take 15 seconds to check before he puts me all in for 15k in a 7.5k pot and I took about 30 seconds before I called and won. Felt like an easy decision considering I was a new unknown looking nervous and him having chip lead.

A number of rounds later after Bakes has been very active reraising a ton of pots and with me folding over and over I raise Utg to 5k with 2358T and about 38k behind, Bakes 2 behind me reraises to 13k and it folds back to me. I tanked for a solid 3 minutes or so deciding whether to ship and pat or call and draw. I ended up feeling like he was going to be a lot stronger here after seeing how tight I was playing and considering how active he had been already. I called and broke against his pat hand and then got the T back!! With around 28k in the pot I was at a loss again for whether to ship all in for my last 25k for value or check evaluate. Tanked for another 2 minutes or so and check folded to his all-in. Felt kinda dirty but I went with my read of the situation and felt okay about it until I couldn't get in another pot and got blinded down to nothing.
Can't one logically think the exact opposite, and he is going to three bet light here, as you say he was already doing, due to you folding often?

Anyway, super gross to throw a ten away and get one back.
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06-16-2011 , 06:42 AM
Wrote that quick before I left for more dumb tourneys but I meant to write that I was opening very few pots but I don't think I had opened/folded to his reraise once.
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06-16-2011 , 07:06 AM
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Wrote that quick before I left for more dumb tourneys
Tourneys are dumb; have you been involved in any good cash games? The online railing is a bit dry ATM...

In fact if anyone wants to post TR stuff that would be awesome; not fussed if it's 12/24 or 400/800, as long as it's DOP

Personally I'd love to hear some Badeucy stories!
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06-16-2011 , 02:03 PM
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Wrote that quick before I left for more dumb tourneys but I meant to write that I was opening very few pots but I don't think I had opened/folded to his reraise once.
Short-stacked, a big-stack aggro has position. My initial read is to shove and pat. Of course if your gut instinct told you to play the way you did, you rightly followed your instincts. Put it down to bad timing, especially getting blinded off which was unknowable during this hand.
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