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12-02-2013 , 03:38 AM

#1576

EricRayS

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 30

I couldn't decide whether to put the ace of diamonds in the middle or in the back on 9th street, what do you think?

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12-02-2013 , 07:02 AM

#1577

Keenan

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,336

Back since there is still 1 more live ace and all jacks and tens are live at the time + we hardly foul our hand and probably dont get scooped + save 4 points vs the 6 point boat

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12-02-2013 , 02:56 PM

#1578

EricRayS

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 30

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Originally Posted by Keenan

Back since there is still 1 more live ace and all jacks and tens are live at the time + we hardly foul our hand and probably dont get scooped + save 4 points vs the 6 point boat

Yeah, 9th is getting a little late for unnecessary risks. Suppose the ace of hearts came on 6th and the ace of diamonds came on 7th. Would we still but it in back that early?

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12-02-2013 , 07:23 PM

#1579

Donk Quixote

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,311

When you get a pair + 3-flush UTG (where a card in the pair is one of the flush cards), which one do you lean towards putting on the bottom? I know "it depends", but what is the default?

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12-02-2013 , 07:44 PM

#1580

ActionDJ

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 338

I lean towards 3 flush unless it's a big pair, tt+, then it depends on side cards. Also I will go pair if I have aq kq or ak as side cards, to go k/a/pair+kicker

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12-03-2013 , 06:30 AM

#1581

LVpokerPRO

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,930

3 flush and a pair is one of my favorite starting hands

Hands like 882AK with 3 diamonds I will still play A-K-882 assuming all are live but hands like 55 with K-2-9hhh I will play X-55-K92hhh

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12-03-2013 , 01:01 PM

#1582

OFC_OMG

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 418

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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote

When you get a pair + 3-flush UTG (where a card in the pair is one of the flush cards), which one do you lean towards putting on the bottom? I know "it depends", but what is the default?

The probability of a 3-flush OOP is 55%.

As these two gentleman have underscored, "it depends" is the default. How the cards relate to each other as well as to individual sub-hand strength once they're split up will differ depending on which of the 7,462 hands you catch. [Or, with different suits, the 2,598,960 hands]

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12-03-2013 , 03:00 PM

#1583

bansky11

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 683

Hi guys.

I started playing OFC. I played 430 games so far and made 2,63p/h. (Golden Club OFC App)

Greenstein says in a vid on the ps.tv website, that 15% foul-rate is normal. I dont chase much, nor play overaggressive. I foul 1/3. Does Barry or the App interpret differently?

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12-03-2013 , 09:16 PM

#1584

Dynasty

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 25,942

I wrote an OFC article for the December issue of the 2+2 Magazine.

2+2 Magazine Article: Drawing to a Flush in Open-Face Chinese Poker by Bryan Clark

I kept the strategy advice somewhat basic for less experienced players. However, I think the flush draw charts and the downloadable Excel file should be of interest to everybody.

Increasing the size of the charts in the article (and making them more readable) should be done tomorrow morning.

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12-04-2013 , 02:34 AM

#1585

birdiegolfer

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 12

Pocket Cowboys app......was going somewhat smoothly, now crashes 67.6567 percent of the time(not for sure on the math)....and just now one of my games has me listed as another player that my opponent is playing and I can't locate our game.....anyone else having this problem....or did I just have 1 to many Jack and Cokes tonight.....someone make a better app....I'd pay anywhere between $14.98-$14.99 for a better alternative....

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12-04-2013 , 02:54 AM

#1586

Varx

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 420

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Originally Posted by birdiegolfer

Yeah. Sometimes exiting the "room" will help with that when I ran into that issue. If you are on android I would recommend closing the app/restarting your phone.

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12-04-2013 , 08:19 AM

#1587

OFC_OMG

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 418

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Originally Posted by Dynasty

Good work Bryan, will check this out!

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12-05-2013 , 12:49 PM

#1588

SleightOfJam

veteran

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,375

Haven't really paid attention to ofc in a while. Probably been asked a million times but is there a browser site (or client you can download) to play for play money on? I know there's a facebook one (at least there was) and I know about the apps.

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12-05-2013 , 01:16 PM

#1589

OFC_OMG

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 418

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Originally Posted by SleightOfJam

This apps page has been updated w/browser-based info as well

http://www.openfaceodds.com/apps.html

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12-06-2013 , 10:31 AM

#1590

Duck Rabbit

adept

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,136

HU first to act

Ad Qd Td As Qc

Q
A
A Q T ddd

Or

Q Q
A A
T

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12-06-2013 , 12:17 PM

#1591

wheelflush

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,381

Both of those are good. I'd also consider 2pr on bottom .

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12-06-2013 , 12:32 PM

#1592

THAKID

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,873

So a friend and I both playing a fish separately on the app

He's on a big heater against both or us over the same time span
~150 PTA each, while playing pretty awful
(We both admittedly don't play great, but he's real bad)

Worried about potential cheating
How secure is this app , the standard red dragon one

I don't know **** about computers, I'd imagine some programmer, hacker , whatever would be able to manipulate it in some way tho huh ?

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12-06-2013 , 02:28 PM

#1593

bansky11

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 683

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Originally Posted by THAKID

http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/team_p...es-130327.html

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12-06-2013 , 02:34 PM

#1594

LifeWithFaceCards

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 194

2nd to act HU w AA996. Both an A and a 9 are dead. How much do the dead cards sway our decision?

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12-06-2013 , 02:39 PM

#1595

hauturi

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 191

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Originally Posted by LifeWithFaceCards

2nd to act HU w AA996. Both an A and a 9 are dead. How much do the dead cards sway our decision?

I can give you percentages: with 4 live outs you would have had 58.6% chance to complete full house, now you only have 34.8%. If you split your two pair, a two-outer would have had the 34.8% chance to become trips, but a one-outer has only 19%.

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12-06-2013 , 03:08 PM

#1596

NitroJake

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 115

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Originally Posted by LifeWithFaceCards

2nd to act HU w AA996. Both an A and a 9 are dead. How much do the dead cards sway our decision?

An Ace dead doesnt hurt my feelings too much. How did he set his? How many live Kings and Queens remain? Im still likely to set it x/aa/996 if 5 or more K/Q are left. If the above is false, x/6/aa99.

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12-06-2013 , 08:50 PM

#1597

THAKID

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,873

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Originally Posted by bansky11

http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/team_p...es-130327.html

Didn't they change a lot since February
I mean that's almost a year ago

But ya def feel like I'm getting cheated
Sux cus was a great spot and was killing him

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12-07-2013 , 06:46 AM

#1598

DeathDonkey

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,875

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Originally Posted by THAKID

Didn't they change a lot since February
I mean that's almost a year ago

But ya def feel like I'm getting cheated
Sux cus was a great spot and was killing him

Fwiw it's highly likely he's just running hot.

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12-07-2013 , 04:27 PM

#1599

ActionDJ

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 338

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Originally Posted by OFC_OMG

It's actually 160,404 different starting hand combos. It's never 7462 starting hands and its never 2598960. We care about the number of each suit, but not which suit. After the 160,404 starting hands for player 1, I'm not sure how many hands there are for player 2.

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12-07-2013 , 10:04 PM

#1600

ActionDJ

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 338

Quote:

Originally Posted by THAKID

Didn't they change a lot since February
I mean that's almost a year ago

But ya def feel like I'm getting cheated
Sux cus was a great spot and was killing him

I don't think that app is cheatable anymore, unless you are the app maker (the person that actually controls the server). The moral of the story is to always know who you play. Don't forget people can also cheat by using helper apps like playwarren.com or my site solvingofc.com once it goes live. Not knowing your opponent is not an option on apps like these, you need to have trust between you two so that you can agree on terms like: no card manipulation, no computer assistance, charts are ok/not ok, advice from others is ok/not ok, payment made through, X misclicks can be replayed, etc.

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