Yeah, I agree. 4 handed, royalties are a huge deal. As well as not fouling. One player could hit a boat, and you could get scooped, but if the two other players foul (each paying you 6) then you don't lose any money. There's no strategy for it, but "run good" is more pronounced 4 way, along with getting royalties and not fouling.

Yeah, sometimes the aggressive play can save you money, as well as give you a long shot at a big bonus. Once in a while you get there!

haha, I was NOT suggesting that FL was likely. I was only saying that I try to leave hands open for possibilities. Once in a while, with a crap hand, the cards can roll out just right, and I like to keep as many possibilities open for when it does. So I almost always set a Q up top (easy to get under even with no pair, with A or K) and live cards at the bottom. I'm definitely not saying that it's likely, but I'm also not saying that it's impossible, and I want to have the cards ready to go if I get a crazy run out..

TILT is a huge deal! If somebody fouls a few hands, or makes a big mistake, it can totally throw them off. I've experienced it a few times. Went on a bad run, and started playing every hand to not foul. Noticed I was playing so poorly, because I was just trying not to foul... having an opponent go on OFC tilt can be one of the best things for your stack!

Hey, is anyone keeping records of the hands they play? I've just started trying to keep track of various things when I play, in a simple form, to try and get an idea of royalties per hands, hands per hour, fouls per hands, average points (positive or negative) per hand, etc. Is anyone else keeping any records of their playing? Would be interesting to compare after we get a thousand hand sample or something..

LOL, I think you're only about 10% to get there, with one out.

Yeah, me and my friend started gathering some data, but after a while I had so much to keep track on I lost focus on actually playing.

That's another play that always makes me laugh. One player will be going kamikaze foul or fantasy land with his hand, and all his outs will be pulled by other players during middle streets, leaving him drawing dead, a second player will have an unbeatable monster that scoops the remaining two, and the third player will take a huge risk for an incredibly small chance of stopping the monster from scooping him....and he'll end up fouling, leaving me, the fourth player, breaking even from the two fouls vs. the monster's boat + scoop.

Some people clearly focus way too much on the heads up part of the game and ignore the big picture when playing four handed. And that's fine by me.

I was playing 3 way the other day, and one player had something like

K
336
AA

and he pulls a 3, and all the aces are out! He sat there for a full minute, debating whether to put trips in the middle, because he somehow thought he might go runner-runner-runner trips on the bottom somehow! Other guy and I were just looking at each other, hoping he did it (he didn't end up doing it though).

However, other dude was running super hot, I wasn't running great at all, and this dude was fouling almost every hand, so the one guy's rungood wasn't costing me much at all, thankfully.

Fine by me too.

Can someone confirm the order of play in criss cross please?

Me and a friend decided to play it yesterday and we're taking 2 cards at the same time and placing 1 in each of our 2 hands. However I thought taking either 1 at a time, or taking one then villain takes one would be a more skill based variant.

Anyone played pinapple open face. Seems like the Omaha of Chinese poker and should catch on. What are people's thoughts

I've tried HU with a friend, and I'm pretty sure the way you're doing it is wrong, I think it should be one card per hand. The way you said it is a really fun FL to play. My friend heard about it in a video with Jason and Shaun, and this FL variation brings more skill into the game.

Instead of getting all 13 cards dealt next hand, you get deal TWO hands, and drawing two cards per turn of course, and you can choose where to place which. Sooooooooooo great, just talking about it makes me wanna go to that FL lol.

Here's a potential fantasy land situation I was in. In a four-handed game, I've got this set-up on 7th street.

Q
K9
JJJ

I catch the Q (the last Queen in the deck)

Two Kings are already dead. So, is one 9 and one Ace.

The last Jack is live.

Do you play the Queen up top?



Alternate situation based on the card I caught on 8th street.

Q
K9
JJJJ

If you catch the Q now, do you place it up top?


Results

On 7th st, no i don't put the Q up top. I put it in the middle.. At an absolute min, i would need at least a completely live king, or a K and an A (or a second 9 thats completely live) with 3 outs between them. and even then, i might not go for it with the jack still live. Even with a completely live king, i would still consider this kind of speculative.

Nothing has changed on 8th street, except you stand to lose more royalties by fouling. It makes a bad play even worse.

In both scenarios I would put the Q in the middle, I wouldn't want to foul my quads, or my trips that most likely will turn into a boat or quads. One out isn't worth it imo.

correct in the first scenario. definitely a mistake in the second secnario...

How does it work?

5 cards each 3 handed as per normal. Then you receive 3 cards each and disgard 1. rinse and repeat

The bolded is exactly how we played. Really really swingy though.

Are all 3 cards shown to everyone or is it only hero who gets to see the discard?

I played with you the other day. buzz2424 on the mws app for android.

By the way, capitalization matters when entering screen names so yours is RichGambool

Ah, thx.

I'm guessing you won? I suck.

I don't remember. I'm not that great either just trying to get better.

you play two of of the three cards and discard the third one without showing it to anyone. It's great because you can discard an out that the other player needs and they don't know about it. They could be drawing dead and you can set your hand accordingly. It's so much easier to get to FL land in this game also. While in FL, you get your initial 5 cards first then 9 cards. You get to discard one card after setting your 13 card hand.

On the mws app, I'm Precept24. I'm up for a game

Yeah no way I would go for it there with so few K outs. Shouldn't the 9 go down with the JJJ too for boat outs?

Can't help it, I must share this one. The swings at the turbo games are just insane, won 170pts after playing 7 hands four-handed turbo, and 3 of 'em was my FLs lol.