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05-04-2017 , 01:24 PM
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There have been a lot of OFC threads popping up of late and each one typically devolves into people asking for quick hand reviews. People also don't want to start a thread every time they want to ask how to set five cards. So I figured let's start a check-up thread for posting quick reviews (how do I set this starting hand, should I go for FL here, etc.) as exists in other subforums.

Suggestion: state relevant details about the game you're playing when stating a hand (i.e. what variant you're playing).
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05-04-2017 , 01:27 PM
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And here's a hand to get us started: HU pineapple (FL QQ+) OOP.
How to set KQ943 ?

I went with
4
K3
Q9

Also considered
(empty)
43
KQ9

and

Q
K9
34
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05-04-2017 , 11:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
And here's a hand to get us started: HU pineapple (FL QQ+) OOP.
How to set KQ943 ?

I went with
4
K3
Q9

Also considered
(empty)
43
KQ9

and

Q
K9
34
I'm always putting q up top and K in middle here. Only thing this hand has going for it is FL potential. Probably:

Q
K3
94

I don't really value the two to a straight on the bottom. If 4 and 3 were suited too I'd probably put them together. 9 on bottom allows you to make two pair in the middle if you pair the 3 and get another card below 9.

Even in your set (which I don't like) why not K3 on bottom Q9 in middle?
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05-05-2017 , 02:04 AM
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Q
K34
9

Q
K9
43

are both reasonable...a not-so-obvious reason that you don't play 94 in the back is that the second starting undercard to the 9 means that you can accidentally make 9s up/4s up/QQ which is much harder with 94 in back. 34 in back gives you more straight potential than the bare 9, but you don't want to really waste an ace on a wheel in back or whatever unless you already have kings in middle. I would probably set the former but the latter can't be awful
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05-05-2017 , 02:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
And here's a hand to get us started: HU pineapple (FL QQ+) OOP.
How to set KQ943 ?

I went with
4
K3
Q9

Also considered
(empty)
43
KQ9

and

Q
K9
34
At a minimum if you're not gonna play it for FL you have to play it for flush/flush. Your play is the worst of both worlds.
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05-05-2017 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Even in your set (which I don't like) why not K3 on bottom Q9 in middle?
Thanks for your comments. I'm learning new concepts in this game every day. I was thinking Q9 had the flush and straight potential whereas K3 could only turn into a flush, so putting it in the middle was more to make a pair kings and some but with the Q dead I don't like it much either. Let's say I had J9 instead. Then would it be more reasonable to do by set with all the queens live so I can make straight or flush/kings/queens?
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05-05-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Q
K34
9

Q
K9
43

are both reasonable...a not-so-obvious reason that you don't play 94 in the back is that the second starting undercard to the 9 means that you can accidentally make 9s up/4s up/QQ which is much harder with 94 in back. 34 in back gives you more straight potential than the bare 9, but you don't want to really waste an ace on a wheel in back or whatever unless you already have kings in middle. I would probably set the former but the latter can't be awful
I don't understand the bolded. I'd have thought that the principal benefit of putting 94 on the bottom and K3 in the middle is that you can make 9s up on the bottom and pair the 3 in the middle and also place cards lower than 9 to make a smaller two pair in the middle, which you can't do if you place 43 on the bottom. In my mind the main reason to put 43 on the bottom is the possible straight potential.
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05-05-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Thanks for your comments. I'm learning new concepts in this game every day. I was thinking Q9 had the flush and straight potential whereas K3 could only turn into a flush, so putting it in the middle was more to make a pair kings and some but with the Q dead I don't like it much either. Let's say I had J9 instead. Then would it be more reasonable to do by set with all the queens live so I can make straight or flush/kings/queens?
If you had Jc9c rather than Qc9c, I'd go:

K
43
J9

With hands like this one, you're main goal should be to get to FL and make two pair kinds of hands to get there..
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05-06-2017 , 12:13 AM
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Got another one, same game:
How to set 99875? I really had no idea. Specifically we're in position against
KQ
A94
22
and I'm curious too how much that influences our decision as opposed to going against a random hand.
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05-06-2017 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
Got another one, same game:
How to set 99875? I really had no idea. Specifically we're in position against
KQ
A94
22
and I'm curious too how much that influences our decision as opposed to going against a random hand.
you're always going to play 99+kicker/other 2 kickers, depending on liveness. UTG I play 998/75 because it maximizes FH/straight and FH/FH
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05-06-2017 , 12:51 AM
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I don't understand the bolded. I'd have thought that the principal benefit of putting 94 on the bottom and K3 in the middle is that you can make 9s up on the bottom and pair the 3 in the middle and also place cards lower than 9 to make a smaller two pair in the middle, which you can't do if you place 43 on the bottom. In my mind the main reason to put 43 on the bottom is the possible straight potential.
Starting with 2 small cards in the middle just opens that small 2 pair more easily. If you catch stupid tens and jacks after playing your way it really screws you up, and since the 4 has no other value with the 9 (not suited or connected) it just does more work in the middle.
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05-06-2017 , 05:59 PM
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I think Q9cc back, 43 middle, king top is worth considering.
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05-07-2017 , 01:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
Got another one, same game:
How to set 99875? I really had no idea. Specifically we're in position against
KQ
A94
22
and I'm curious too how much that influences our decision as opposed to going against a random hand.
When you have 5 cards IP vs 7 cards - run away, he is cheater. )

In normal situation opponents cards change everything but not here as all your cards are completely live besides 9, but you have 99, and 99 definitely go to the bot.
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05-07-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Woops I typed that in wrong for the last one.

Got another spot: HU OOP vs fantasyland, I've got KQQ94, which I set as
QQ4
K
9

I think it's pretty standard to put QQ up top. I'd like to know what to do with the side cards.
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05-08-2017 , 12:14 AM
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Woops I typed that in wrong for the last one.

Got another spot: HU OOP vs fantasyland, I've got KQQ94, which I set as
QQ4
K
9

I think it's pretty standard to put QQ up top. I'd like to know what to do with the side cards.
9/K4/QQ and 4/K9/QQ are both ok with this particular hand. Never block your top like that - it serves you no benefit. The standard here, btw, would be 9/K4/QQ because it sets up an accidental 5 pair or 999/444 better, but because of the suits you can argue for the 4 on bottom in this case.
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05-08-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Woops I typed that in wrong for the last one.

Got another spot: HU OOP vs fantasyland, I've got KQQ94, which I set as
QQ4
K
9

I think it's pretty standard to put QQ up top. I'd like to know what to do with the side cards.
4 up top makes no sense.

I'd set
QQ
K
94
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05-08-2017 , 02:42 PM
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4 up top makes no sense.

I'd set
QQ
K
94
94 (not suited) also makes no sense )
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05-08-2017 , 03:09 PM
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I put the 4 up top because I wanted to maximize my chance of getting a K or placing pairs in the bottom or middle. I felt like it was a pretty meaningless card, and seeing as I already had a nice made hand in the top, I could stick it there. Is your reason to not put the 4 in the top to leave myself open to trips up top? I figured I have yet to successfully get trips up top in any OFC variant, so might as well maximize my chances of not fouling. Also, this was in a HUSNG and I started the hand with ~25 points, so also figured making a massive hand wouldn't have the proper payout. Does that change how you think about this spot?
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05-08-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Same game HU, how would you set AKKJ9 out of position. I went with
K
A
KJ9
Standard?

Ok now let's say this was turbo OFC. This was actually my first ever hand of turbo, and I had no idea to set it so I set it like I would in pineapple, although I wasn't even 100% sure how I should set it for that game. Anyone have any general tips for how I should think about turbo vs regular?
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05-08-2017 , 03:32 PM
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I put the 4 up top because I wanted to maximize my chance of getting a K or placing pairs in the bottom or middle. I felt like it was a pretty meaningless card, and seeing as I already had a nice made hand in the top, I could stick it there. Is your reason to not put the 4 in the top to leave myself open to trips up top? I figured I have yet to successfully get trips up top in any OFC variant, so might as well maximize my chances of not fouling. Also, this was in a HUSNG and I started the hand with ~25 points, so also figured making a massive hand wouldn't have the proper payout. Does that change how you think about this spot?


No, Jesus no. It's because when you catch another 4 you're gonna want it in the middle. And so you have a spot open up top to stick a completely dead card later (or save a foul on the last draw when you catch something that would force foul your middle)
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05-08-2017 , 04:33 PM
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it's K/94/QQ ainec
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05-08-2017 , 08:52 PM
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No, Jesus no. It's because when you catch another 4 you're gonna want it in the middle. And so you have a spot open up top to stick a completely dead card later (or save a foul on the last draw when you catch something that would force foul your middle)
Well that's why I've been posting in this thread. Happy to plug what's apparently a big leak playing HU for $0 vs a friend than when I eventually find myself in some high(er) stakes arena.
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05-09-2017 , 03:00 AM
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it's K/94/QQ
It's never like this. K//QQ is reasonable, but mid should be 4 (IMHO better) or 9, other card goes to the bot.
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05-09-2017 , 10:43 AM
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ok agree to disagree then
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05-09-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Alpha Fish, maybe you want to justify/explain your opinion? Just saying "it's not even close" when a lot of knowledgeable and talented people are giving their opinions with explanations means anyone reading is likely to disregard your answer.
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