Hi everybody,

This is my first post on this forum, I'll write something on me in the presentation thread. For the moment I have a question about one hand I've played tonight (I live in France...) in the Limit 2-7 Triple Draw in micro-limits.

We are 5 players on the table, I'm at SB position with 2-2-3-7-8.
1st draw : UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, BTN calls, I raise, BB folds, UTG calls, BTN calls. So now we are in a 3-way pot.
I draw one (the number 2 in the muck), UTG draws three, BTN draws two.
I have now 2-3-4-7-8 !

2nd draw : I bet, UTG calls, BTN calls.
I stay pat with perfect 8-7, UTG draws one, BTN draws two.

3rd draw : I bet, UTG calls, BTN calls.

Now this is the question : in your opinion, should I have to stay pat or break my 8-7 because I'm out of position and UTG drew only one ?

I decided to stay pat, UTG stays pat too, BTN draws one.
Then, I only check, UTG bets, BTN folds.

Other question should I have to fold or to call here ?

I decided to call and UTG wins the pot with 8-6-5-4-2.

You can see the replayer here : https://www.winamax.fr/replayer/repl...102&lang=fr_FR

It was just unluck or I've played bad my hand ?
Thanks for your answers

2 simple rules here:
1. Never pat and then break later when you're opponent(s) is still drawing
2. Never break an 8 if nobody else is pat

What about drawing 2 here in the first draw though?

Thanks you for your answer. So, if I understand I've well played my hand after the first draw.

Actually, this is a good question. UTG raises pre-draw, regarding his position he would like playing for a 7. Knowing that, break the one-card 8-7 draw may be a good move. Moreover, I'm out of position against him. Somebody has an opinion about or some knowledges on GTO ?

Nah 8732 3-ways is smooth enough. I would flat call and D2 with like 8762 though.

Okay thank you

Let's me propose you an other case with an 8 to break or not after 1st draw.

4-way table //
predraw : UTG folds, Hero raises in BTN (2-3-4-Q-K) / SB calls / BB folds
=> SB d2 / Hero d2 (2-3-4-8-A)

after 1st draw : SB bets / Hero calls
=> SB d1 / Hero should d1 or d2 ?

precisions :
* predraw : I just call with 1-card to a perfect 8 because SB bets out of position drawing 2 too... I don't know why but I suppose he's playing a premium 2-cards hand and maybe he improved it.

* after 1st draw : SB draws only one so he has improved ! Is an 8 sufficient to beat him here or should I break my 1-card 8 draw ?

I wouldn't break the 8 here. Drawing to smoothest 8.

Your 8732 is drawing to 87632(14),87532(11) or 87432(10) hand rank in ( ) you will make your draw about 60%.(all 3 draws combined) If you discard the 8, you will hit a 7 high 26% (all 3 draws combined)and you will be drawing to the top ranked hands, and ironically even with the dead out(8) you can still make an 8 or better about 42%.(all 3 draws) Keeping the 8732 initially puts you in a draw that will not likely hold up to any pat. there are only 4 8-high hands you can beat with the 87632. Further with a raise and a call (3) players, at minimum you are up against a premium 3-card 7, possibly 2 premium hands these hands will hit a 7-high about 20% to 26% for each player. and they will hit an 8 high that beats yours about 35 percent per player. so most of the time you will lose even if they both are drawing. there is also about 20% (estimate) that one of them has a starting hand better than your 8732. Considering you are first to act , if they both have three 3-card hands you, and you discard the 8 you will have the best possible 3-card hand/draw. if they have a 4 card start you are way behind with your 8732considering this and your sb position I would discard the 8

Never, ever break off an 8-draw that isn't an 87-draw. And rarely do that.

I would 3! and keep the 8732. In hindsight, UTG must be a pretty loose player so it is definitely correct knowing he has a D3 range here.