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interesting courvehal flop spot interesting courvehal flop spot

11-24-2018 , 04:41 AM
im the button in this hand but more interested in flop decision from UTG POV.

5-10 with 1k cap. Qc exposed and UTG opesn for 30 with QQ22T no suits. Button who is pretty nitty and has pretty narrow 3 betting range makes it 100. UTG makes it 300 and button calls.

comes Qc 5c 8c with 700 behind. Id assume button has to have a flush (most liekly nut flush) and some type of low draw 100%. Its almost impossible for button to be able to 3 bet and call any hand here thats not a flush.

I'd guess were a little under 30% and getting just under 2-1.

does it chance anything if flop is 2 low cards all clubs, or no low cards all clubs. obviously your equity increase with each one and the no low all club flop seems like easy ship since were gonna be better than 2-1 dog.

Last edited by Rob...Chill; 11-24-2018 at 04:48 AM.
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11-24-2018 , 06:08 AM
5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: Qc5c8c
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
Ac2c 73.43% 385,631 385,631 0 425,987 0
QQ22T 26.57% 104,456 214,369 0 0 0
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11-24-2018 , 07:09 AM
Villain should have some non flush hands that take this line as well, like aakk2 for example, improving your overall equity
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11-24-2018 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Villain should have some non flush hands that take this line as well, like aakk2 for example, improving your overall equity
That seems overly aggressive for a QcXX flop
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11-26-2018 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Villain should have some non flush hands that take this line as well, like aakk2 for example, improving your overall equity
I’m sure I’m welll behind OP at this game and prob most of you. But the action after the door card, coupled w utg lack of blockers to the combos that make flushes, indicates a flush (though I think it could just as easily be AA24Jds w a J hi flush, and a low draw, instead of the nut flush). For utg, I think the lack of a low draw and the pot size bet he’d be facing makes that particular hand a fold. But i know I’ve def flopped a set to any door 9+ and got married to the hand even after a ****ty flop.

Utg is usually not only behind btn high range here, but will be fighting for half the pot pretty often even when he does fill up, as the Qc 8c 5c seeems pretty accomafating to a low draw. I’m a novice at the game but it seems fun to play. I don’t think AAKK2 hands w no flush would be able to feel great about playing for stacks after seeing a Qc door
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11-26-2018 , 08:15 PM
The Qc is a high card so I’m not sure about the assumption that someone has a low draw 100% if my reading of the posts have been correct. That card obviously hits AcKJTcx strongly.

Anyhow in a 6 handed game someone has trips with the spit around 12% so I don’t think it’s a good play at all to reraise an UTG guy. And if you have Ac what do you think the other guy has that makes him like his hand enough to raise UTG? This is a flat imho
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11-27-2018 , 10:35 AM
people play way to many hands and can open plenty of non set/nut flush hands here. Even if he has QQ its not a huge deal as were often 3-2 dog at worst and are only going to get in the other 70% of our stack on favorable flops. its somewhat problematic to have a 3 betting range thats exactly a set and nothing else.

Also i was surprised to see trips can be a 3-2 dog pre after doing a little work although its not gonna happen when its a high card
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11-27-2018 , 02:14 PM
You don't 3 bet QQ and that's it, you have an easy flat with your entire range imo

Granted I'm sure they do open up with too many hands but this from UTG with a high card is an issue and with your stack size it is problematic getting re-raised like you did. What was your exact holding?

You mention that you are 3-2 dog at worst, but some of that is runner runner stuff or spiking two outers on turn or river that you will not be around for as you are bet out of the pot on the flop
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