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Old 09-01-2017, 11:41 AM   #51
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Re: Common Badeucey Spot

also depends on the game, like if its full of passives who are on the inexperienced side maybe patting is better, if its full of aggressives or people who are more knowledgeable maybe drawing 1 is better
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:19 PM   #52
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I've heard the card removal arguments but I'm really not swayed too much. Guy drawing three almost certainly has 27,23,24. He does not have 56. The cold caller on button does not have 567 or 568.
you (and everyone) needs to play more badeucy. There are certaintly hands much worse than 568 in play here
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:21 PM   #53
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yeah if someone patted this early on i would assume they have something like a rough 8 and a three card 6 or something or a made 9/9 T/T

pretty easy to play against and also everyone else in the pot is happy to keep it at 1 bet per street unless they can whipsaw you.

i like drawing 1

three handed i like patting tho, thats prob where i draw the line
everyone makes this assumption which is why our 234 is very strong
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:58 PM   #54
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you (and everyone) needs to play more badeucy. There are certaintly hands much worse than 568 in play here
But I think you would agree that it is more likely they have 347

Does the guy drawing three have 56?

You have no idea how much I have played, I simply said that I did not play just to avoid the silliness of a HU for rollz challenge simply because I did not agree with someone on an Internet forum lol
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:59 PM   #55
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everyone makes this assumption which is why our 234 is very strong
Which we still have drawing 1 btw
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:40 PM   #56
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Re: Common Badeucey Spot

As promised, link to equity calculator for draw games below, it has its limitations: if anyone has better ones please share

Https://github.com/alexyz/poker
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Old 09-03-2017, 03:14 AM   #57
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you (and everyone) needs to play more badeucy. There are certaintly hands much worse than 568 in play here
live game, nothing would surprise me wrt opponents D2 and D3 ranges.

but online, I don't expect to see much worse than 568, despite the fact that people (raises hand) also play badeucy poorly online.

Not that I'm fully sold on drawing. Intuitively, it seems like a slam dunk D1. But I'm open to the fact that our deuce hand is gonna hold up so often, that we are almost freerolling the dugi side w our nut tri.

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Old 09-03-2017, 11:55 AM   #58
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Re: Common Badeucey Spot

Other hands with marginal breaks and decent 3-cards will have worse draws if broken, say 345/78 and be better candidates to pat imo, despite some being fractionally worse lowball hands.

This helps us have an unpredictable patting range, ie sometimes we appear to pat 87w/tri and sometimes we break it. Having an apparently stochastic patting range helps in lineups with observant players who make rigid assumptions based on a few showdowns, which can then be exploited.
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Old 09-03-2017, 01:15 PM   #59
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As promised, link to equity calculator for draw games below, it has its limitations: if anyone has better ones please share

Https://github.com/alexyz/poker
Troutulator (sp?) is a great one for Badugi. I got here somewhere on site but I don't recall where, sorry.

I also have Gaults Motor app that was put out by Desert Cat I believe. It has Badugi, 2-7, and A-5. I don't use it for Badugi. You can't specify suits so I think it has limitations. 2-7 and A/5 should be fine
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Old 09-03-2017, 01:29 PM   #60
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everyone makes this assumption which is why our 234 is very strong
not sure i agree with that, i've seen people hold onto mediocre badugis after turn action which seems to be less of a mistake if everyone makes this assumption.
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Old 09-03-2017, 10:49 PM   #61
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Lets say we pat down and we get heads up by the river, guy draws one and makes a king or queen badugi. Will they call a bet hoping we have exactly what we have? Or could we ever bluff them out?
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Old 09-03-2017, 10:52 PM   #62
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Lets say we pat down and we get heads up by the river, guy draws one and makes a king or queen badugi. Will they call a bet hoping we have exactly what we have? Or could we ever bluff them out?
Imo no one will ever fold a badugi hu to a hand that was originally pat.

If you are playing on Seals you do have disconnect equity though
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Old 09-04-2017, 01:35 AM   #63
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Imo no one will ever fold a badugi hu to a hand that was originally pat.


Agreed, nor should he
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Old 09-04-2017, 03:56 PM   #64
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But they would fold to a hand that was pat after the first draw? That seems like an odd/cool quirk of the game.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:33 PM   #65
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No, nobody is folding a badugi they make on the end in a big pot closing the action heads up
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:54 PM   #66
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But they would fold to a hand that was pat after the first draw? That seems like an odd/cool quirk of the game.
It is very rare to be dealt a pat low hand strong enough to take against a multiway field and have a badugi at same time. So hu someone should call on the end with any badugi.

That's different from when someone is drawing 1 card, then stays pat later. Better chance they had a badugi and then hit a low to go with it. So it's not an auto call.

It's somewhat similar among other lowball games. In badugi, for example the pat hands dealt initially are weaker on average then ones obtained by drawing
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