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Old 01-01-2011, 12:58 AM   #1
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Chowaha hand rankings

In honor of the upcoming Chowaha World Championship, and for those of you with the steely nerves and deep-pocketed stake horses for such ventures, here is an attempt to rank the 169 Chowaha hands.

This is a ProPokerTools style analysis developed from a survival sim.

PPT sims described here: http://pokercoder.blogspot.com/2006/...-of-hands.html

Derived from this paper:http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~darse/Papers/AIJ02.pdf

Sims are for eight-handed casino-style Chowaha: High only; must play both of two cards.

Chowaha boards explained here: http://www.wolfspokerpage.com/chowaha/

Following is the rank of the hand, the hand, the Relative Net Win Potential (sort of like EV, put here for comparative purposes), running % total of all 2-card Chowaha hands, median hand made by hand, median winning hand made by hand.

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Rank        RNWP    Tot    Median        Med Winner
1    AA    0.71911    0.005    2P    AAKKQ    3K    AAAK9
2    KK    0.60977    0.009    2P    AAKKQ    3K    KKKAJ
3    QQ    0.53154    0.014    2P    AAQQK    3K    QQQAK
4    JJ    0.46061    0.018    2P    AAJJK    3K    JJJAK
5    TT    0.39650    0.023    2P    AATTK    FH    333TT
6    AKs    0.34780    0.026    2P    AAKK9    3K    AAAKQ
7    99    0.33904    0.030    2P    AA99K    FH    55599
8    AQs    0.31200    0.033    2P    AAQQT    S    AKQJT
9    AJs    0.28968    0.036    2P    AAJJQ    S    AKQJT
10    88    0.28523    0.041    2P    AA88K    FH    66688
11    KQs    0.27819    0.044    2P    KKQQA    S    AKQJT
12    JTs    0.27566    0.047    3K    TTTKJ    S    KQJT9
13    QJs    0.26582    0.050    3K    444QJ    S    KQJT9
14    ATs    0.26430    0.053    2P    AATTQ    S    AKQJT
15    KJs    0.25766    0.056    2P    KKQQJ    S    AKQJT
16    QTs    0.24953    0.059    3K    444QT    S    AKQJT
17    77    0.23874    0.063    2P    AA77K    FH    77722
18    KTs    0.23705    0.066    2P    KKQQT    S    AKQJT
19    T9s    0.22141    0.069    3K    999KT    S    QJT98
20    66    0.19672    0.074    2P    AA66Q    FH    66633
21    J9s    0.17641    0.077    3K    444J9    S    KQJT9
22    98s    0.16969    0.080    3K    888A9    S    QJT98
23    A5s    0.16098    0.083    2P    AA995    S    5432A
24    55    0.15996    0.087    2P    AA55K    FH    55533
25    A4s    0.14856    0.090    2P    AA994    S    5432A
26    A9s    0.14459    0.094    2P    AA99T    3K    AAAT9
27    Q9s    0.14077    0.097    2P    AA99Q    S    KQJT9
28    87s    0.13446    0.100    3K    777A8    S    JT987
29    T8s    0.13126    0.103    3K    444T8    S    QJT98
30    A3s    0.13006    0.106    2P    AA993    S    5432A
31    A8s    0.12868    0.109    2P    AA88J    3K    AAAJ8
32    K9s    0.12713    0.112    2P    KKTT9    S    KQJT9
33    44    0.12213    0.116    2P    AA44K    FH    44455
34    A2s    0.11489    0.119    2P    AA992    S    5432A
35    A7s    0.11398    0.122    2P    AA77Q    3K    AAAJ7
36    76s    0.10264    0.125    3K    77786    S    T9876
37    A6s    0.09572    0.128    2P    AA66K    3K    AAAQ6
38    97s    0.09180    0.131    3K    44497    S    JT987
39    33    0.08895    0.136    2P    AA33K    FH    33355
40    J8s    0.08253    0.139    2P    AA88J    S    QJT98
41    65s    0.08198    0.142    3K    666T5    S    98765
42    54s    0.06303    0.145    3K    555J4    S    87654
43    86s    0.05682    0.148    3K    44486    S    T9876
44    22    0.05644    0.152    2P    AA22K    FH    22266
45    Q8s    0.05424    0.155    2P    QQJJ8    S    QJT98
46    T7s    0.04032    0.158    2P    AA77T    S    JT987
47    AKo    0.03676    0.167    2P    AA55K    2P    AAKKQ
48    75s    0.02681    0.170    3K    44475    S    98765
49    JTo    0.02537    0.179    2P    KKTTJ    S    JT987
50    K8s    0.02082    0.183    2P    KK88Q    3K    KKKA8
51    64s    0.00624    0.186    3K    444T6    S    87654
52    K7s    0.00532    0.189    2P    KK77A    3K    KKKA7
53    96s    0.00354    0.192    2P    AA669    S    T9876
54    QJo    
-0.00006    0.201    2P    QQJJT    3K    QQQAJ
55    KQo    
-0.00134    0.210    2P    KKTTQ    3K    QQQKT
56    AQo    
-0.00401    0.219    2P    AA55Q    2P    AAQQK
57    K6s    
-0.00974    0.222    2P    KK66A    3K    KKKA6
58    J7s    
-0.01077    0.225    2P    QQJJ7    S    JT987
59    53s    
-0.01530    0.228    3K    333J5    S    76543
60    K5s    
-0.01876    0.231    2P    KK665    3K    AAAK5
61    QTo    
-0.01895    0.240    2P    QQTTK    S    QJT98
62    AJo    
-0.02501    0.249    2P    AA55J    2P    AAKKJ
63    K4s    
-0.02517    0.252    2P    KK664    F    K6543
64    85s    
-0.02590    0.255    2P    AA558    S    98765
65    KJo    
-0.02672    0.264    2P    KKTTJ    3K    JJJKQ
66    43s    
-0.03001    0.267    3K    333J4    S    76543
67    T9o    
-0.03374    0.276    2P    KK99T    S    T9876
68    K3s    
-0.03996    0.279    2P    KK663    F    K7532
69    K2s    
-0.04750    0.282    2P    KK662    F    K7642
70    T6s    
-0.04950    0.285    2P    QQTT6    S    T9876
71    KTo    
-0.05019    0.294    2P    KKTT5    3K    TTTAK
72    74s    
-0.05416    0.297    2P    AA447    S    87654
73    ATo    
-0.05437    0.306    2P    AA55T    2P    AAKKT
74    Q7s    
-0.05574    0.309    2P    QQ77A    F    Q7543
75    Q6s    
-0.06489    0.312    2P    QQ776    F    Q7642
76    63s    
-0.07483    0.315    2P    AA336    S    76543
77    Q5s    
-0.07714    0.318    2P    QQ775    F    Q7654
78    95s    
-0.08310    0.321    2P    QQ995    F    96543
79    Q4s    
-0.08992    0.324    2P    QQ774    F    Q8543
80    98o    
-0.09161    0.333    2P    KK889    S    98765
81    Q3s    
-0.10020    0.336    2P    QQ773    F    Q8653
82    52s    
-0.10059    0.339    2P    KK552    F    85432
83    J9o    
-0.10264    0.348    2P    JJ99A    S    JT987
84    Q2s    
-0.10541    0.351    2P    QQ772    F    Q8742
85    42s    
-0.11072    0.354    2P    KK442    F    86542
86    84s    
-0.11200    0.357    2P    QQ884    F    98543
87    J6s    
-0.11584    0.360    2P    JJ886    F    J8652
88    32s    
-0.12405    0.363    2P    KK332    F    96432
89    J5s    
-0.12408    0.367    2P    JJ885    F    J8752
90    87o    
-0.12963    0.376    2P    KK778    S    98765
91    J4s    
-0.13749    0.379    2P    JJ884    F    J8764
92    73s    
-0.14003    0.382    2P    QQ773    F    98753
93    T8o    
-0.14391    0.391    2P    JJTT8    S    T9876
94    J3s    
-0.14551    0.394    2P    JJ883    F    J9543
95    Q9o    
-0.14813    0.403    2P    QQ99T    3K    QQQ97
96    J2s    
-0.15538    0.406    2P    JJ882    F    J9642
97    T5s    
-0.16026    0.409    2P    TT995    F    T9653
98    76o    
-0.16330    0.418    2P    KK667    S    87654
99    62s    
-0.16353    0.421    2P    QQ662    F    T7642
100    T4s    
-0.17053    0.424    2P    TT994    F    T9743
101    T3s    
-0.18047    0.427    2P    TT993    F    T9832
102    A5o    
-0.18547    0.436    2P    AA559    3K    333A5
103    65o    
-0.18761    0.445    2P    KK556    S    76543
104    T2s    
-0.18768    0.448    2P    TT992    F    T9852
105    K9o    
-0.18993    0.457    2P    KK669    3K    555K9
106    97o    
-0.19026    0.466    2P    JJ997    S    98765
107    94s    
-0.19913    0.469    2P    TT994    F    T9864
108    A9o    
-0.20269    0.478    2P    QQ99A    2P    AA99K
109    A4o    
-0.20271    0.487    2P    AA44T    3K    444A7
110    54o    
-0.20440    0.496    2P    KK445    S    65432
111    93s    
-0.20627    0.499    2P    TT993    F    J9432
112    J8o    
-0.21147    0.508    2P    JJ88K    3K    JJJQ8
113    92s    
-0.21351    0.511    2P    TT992    F    J9542
114    A3o    
-0.22230    0.520    2P    AA33J    3K    333A9
115    86o    
-0.22367    0.529    2P    JJ886    S    87654
116    A8o    
-0.22642    0.538    2P    QQ88A    2P    AA998
117    83s    
-0.23144    0.541    2P    TT883    F    J8653
118    82s    
-0.23785    0.544    2P    TT882    F    J8742
119    A2o    
-0.24435    0.554    2P    AA22Q    3K    222AT
120    A7o    
-0.25056    0.563    2P    QQ77A    2P    AA997
121    75o    
-0.25287    0.572    2P    JJ775    S    76543
122    T7o    
-0.25514    0.581    2P    TT77A    3K    TTTK7
123    72s    
-0.25830    0.584    2P    TT772    F    J9732
124    Q8o    
-0.26266    0.593    2P    QQ778    3K    888QT
125    A6o    
-0.27140    0.602    2P    QQ66A    2P    AA996
126    64o    
-0.27760    0.611    2P    JJ664    S    65432
127    96o    
-0.29241    0.620    2P    99886    3K    999A6
128    53o    
-0.29757    0.629    2P    JJ553    S    5432A
129    43o    
-0.31474    0.638    2P    JJ443    S    5432A
130    K8o    
-0.31973    0.647    2P    QQ88K    2P    KKTT8
131    85o    
-0.32434    0.656    2P    TT558    S    87654
132    J7o    
-0.32486    0.665    2P    JJ77T    3K    777KJ
133    K7o    
-0.34189    0.674    2P    QQ77K    2P    KKJJ7
134    K6o    
-0.35469    0.683    2P    QQ66K    2P    KKJJ6
135    74o    
-0.35609    0.692    2P    TT447    S    76543
136    T6o    
-0.36982    0.701    2P    TT66K    3K    666AT
137    K5o    
-0.37075    0.710    2P    QQ55K    2P    KKJJ5
138    63o    
-0.37830    0.719    2P    TT336    S    65432
139    K4o    
-0.38571    0.729    2P    QQ44K    2P    KKJJ4
140    K3o    
-0.39762    0.738    2P    QQ33K    2P    KKJJ3
141    Q7o    
-0.40058    0.747    2P    QQ337    2P    KK77Q
142    52o    
-0.40072    0.756    2P    TT225    S    5432A
143    95o    
-0.40282    0.765    2P    9955A    3K    66695
144    K2o    
-0.40901    0.774    2P    QQ22K    2P    KKJJ2
145    Q6o    
-0.41003    0.783    2P    QQ336    2P    KKQQ6
146    42o    
-0.41390    0.792    2P    99442    S    5432A
147    Q5o    
-0.42427    0.801    2P    QQ335    2P    KKQQ5
148    32o    
-0.42765    0.810    2P    99332    S    5432A
149    84o    
-0.43534    0.819    2P    88664    3K    888T4
150    Q4o    
-0.43658    0.828    2P    QQ334    2P    KKQQ4
151    Q3o    
-0.44929    0.837    2P    QQ337    2P    KKQQ3
152    J6o    
-0.45856    0.846    2P    JJ446    2P    KKJJ6
153    73o    
-0.46172    0.855    2P    88337    3K    777Q3
154    Q2o    
-0.46212    0.864    2P    QQ229    2P    KKQQ2
155    J5o    
-0.47074    0.873    2P    JJ445    2P    KKJJ5
156    J4o    
-0.48398    0.882    2P    JJ446    2P    KKJJ4
157    62o    
-0.48507    0.891    2P    88662    3K    666K2
158    J3o    
-0.49733    0.900    2P    JJ339    2P    AA33J
159    T5o    
-0.50339    0.910    2P    TT557    2P    AA55T
160    J2o    
-0.50657    0.919    2P    JJ22Q    2P    AA22J
161    T4o    
-0.51615    0.928    2P    TT44J    2P    AA44T
162    T3o    
-0.52985    0.937    2P    TT33Q    2P    AATT3
163    T2o    
-0.53937    0.946    2P    TT22K    2P    AATT2
164    94o    
-0.54378    0.955    2P    9944Q    2P    AA994
165    93o    
-0.55527    0.964    2P    9933K    2P    AA993
166    92o    
-0.56504    0.973    2P    9922A    2P    AA992
167    83o    
-0.57983    0.982    2P    8833A    3K    33387
168    82o    
-0.58510    0.991    2P    8822A    3K    22298
169    72o    
-0.60571    1.000    2P    77332    3K    222T7 
So, if we look at number 53, we see that it is 96 suited, has the last positive win potential of .00354. It is in the top 19.2% of Chowaha hands. The median hand it makes is two pair--AA669. The median hand in wins with is a ten-high straight.

For those of you unfamiliar with my posts, it should be pointed out that I know nothing of math, nothing of statistics, nothing of logic of any type, nothing of computer programming, and, especially, nothing of poker.

Enjoy! Happy New Year!
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Old 01-01-2011, 05:01 AM   #2
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Re: Chowaha hand rankings

I read your post. I looked up the rules for Chowaha on Wikipedia. It is definitely a flop game.

Happy New Year Phatmack!
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Old 01-01-2011, 11:19 AM   #3
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Re: Chowaha hand rankings

That must be the weirdest poker variant I've ever read about. Cool
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Old 01-01-2011, 12:24 PM   #4
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Re: Chowaha hand rankings

Hey, fun! Thanks Phat Mack.

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For those of you unfamiliar with my posts, it should be pointed out that I know nothing of math, nothing of statistics, nothing of logic of any type, nothing of computer programming, and, especially, nothing of poker.

Enjoy! Happy New Year!
I have to call BS on this one, sorry. You may not have any _training_ in any of these things, but 'I know nothing' is a touch strong.
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Old 01-01-2011, 04:50 PM   #5
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Re: Chowaha hand rankings

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In honor of the upcoming Chowaha World Championship, and for those of you with the steely nerves and deep-pocketed stake horses for such ventures, here is an attempt to rank the 169 Chowaha hands.
ESCARGOT is now EMBARGO, will still be held in January, but will be at Binion's Horseshoe in Las Vegas.

Good to know. Thanks.

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Following is the rank of the hand, the hand, the Relative Net Win Potential (sort of like EV, put here for comparative purposes), running % total of all 2-card Chowaha hands, median hand made by hand, median winning hand made by hand.
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So, if we look at number 53, we see that it is 96 suited, has the last positive win potential of .00354. It is in the top 19.2% of Chowaha hands. The median hand it makes is two pair--AA669. The median hand in wins with is a ten-high straight.
Thanks. Very clear.

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For those of you unfamiliar with my posts, it should be pointed out that I know nothing of math, nothing of statistics, nothing of logic of any type, nothing of computer programming, and, especially, nothing of poker.
Your crazy pineapple and lazy pineapple rankings are legendary.

And now Chowaha? Anyhow, thanks for all your good work. Very impressive for someone who knows something. Awesome for someone who knows nothing.

Happy New Year to you, too!

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Old 02-02-2012, 07:07 AM   #6
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Re: Chowaha hand rankings

Bump.

Threads older than February 1 are to be automatically archived next month in preparation for an upgrade. I'm bumping all 2+2 threads cited in our FAQ that are not already archived so that they will not be lost to us.

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