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Blocker Bets in NL Deuce Blocker Bets in NL Deuce

03-12-2019 , 10:46 AM
A common but uncomfortable spot in NL 2-7 SD is when I raise a pat J or T out of position (maybe an open raise from early or mid position or even a 3bet from the blinds) then the draw goes 0:1. Now what? It seems to weak to just check/fold but hand strength isn't strong enough to bet for value. But what about a blocker bet? It seems like if we're going to check/call anyways, we might as well bet out and set our own price.

Pros:
- get thin value when called by worse
- better hands may just call rather then betting more had we checked to them
- worse hands will fold that would have bluffed

Cons:
- can induce a raise
- lose more than check/folding when we're beat
- might be hard to balance

Thoughts? How do you good players approach these spots?
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03-12-2019 , 11:56 AM
I think pat, check, fold is a fine line with the Js and the worst Ts out of position. Not really sure there's a ton to do about it -- betting sucks, because our opponents will naturally play correctly (I think around T-8 is where I'd start betting for the combination of pros you have listed).

This looks to me like a pretty clear fundamental theorem of poker situation.
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03-12-2019 , 09:54 PM
You can't pat/check/fold very often because combinatorics dictates you will be dealt a ton more pat Jacks and bad Tens than better hands, and villains will learn that calling D1 with candywrappers and firing all rivers you check becomes extremely profitable for them.

Because there is so little information, good SDNL players are extremely observant at showdown and will try to decode patterns like this.

You can tighten your opening range OOP some, giving you fewer pat hands you can't bet for value, and you can check to check/raise about the same number of hands you would c/f, but that should itself be a stochastic range or your c/r will never get paid off.

I love this game.
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03-12-2019 , 11:22 PM
Against reg I'd usually go for something like 66% betfold / 33% checkcall.

Watch the clock and bet if between xx:xx:00 and xx:xx:40. Check if not.

As you are pat I'd suggest to bet a bit smaller than your usual thin value sizing to induce and save some bbs when you're beat.
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03-13-2019 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by electrical
You can't pat/check/fold very often because combinatorics dictates you will be dealt a ton more pat Jacks and bad Tens than better hands, and villains will learn that calling D1 with candywrappers and firing all rivers you check becomes extremely profitable for them.

Because there is so little information, good SDNL players are extremely observant at showdown and will try to decode patterns like this.

You can tighten your opening range OOP some, giving you fewer pat hands you can't bet for value, and you can check to check/raise about the same number of hands you would c/f, but that should itself be a stochastic range or your c/r will never get paid off.

I love this game.
I cannot add anything that will touch this post. A+, sir.

Truly an amazing form of poker. Shame I don't get to play it more.
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