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Old 07-12-2008, 01:13 PM   #76
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Re: Badugi calculator available

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TL;DR yet, but I am gonna read it later. Thanx for this.

I have been missing badugi soo much, I was playing play money at Carbon.

BIC NEWS

Pokerstars is adding Badugi.


This is probably worthy of it's own thread, IMO. But I am not a regular in this forum, so I will leave that up to a mod, or other poster.
I don't understand why i cannot see anything under OTHER but 5CD, TD, HORSE & HOSE. How can I get these games in my lobby?
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Old 07-12-2008, 01:14 PM   #77
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Re: Badugi calculator available

Its not live yet. The screenshot is from TestPokerStars.com.
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Old 07-12-2008, 01:19 PM   #78
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Thanks fozzy. Shoulda known when only 380 players on & right now i see 106k playing
Any expected date on the new games?
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Old 07-12-2008, 01:23 PM   #79
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No, he just made a prelim announcement, because a few of us have been asking for it repeatedly. Apparently my spam email plan worked.

Here is the original post by HostAlex

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Old 09-21-2008, 02:03 PM   #80
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Re: Badugi calculator available

I have a problem opening the .exe file with winrar. It says that the application configuration is incorrect. How do I fix this?
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:45 PM   #81
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You can try installing this - if that doesn't fix it then I'm sorry but right now I don't know the solution, though I know at least 2 other people have reported the same problem. I'll have a go at fixing it eventually but it's difficult to test when I can't actually reproduce the problem myself
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:12 PM   #82
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:53 PM   #83
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Thanks. Have you considered releasing the source?
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:36 PM   #84
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Not for that version, the code is absolutely hideous. I started a new version a couple of years ago, which was a complete rewrite with some really cool new features. If it ever sees the light of day, I'll probably release the source with it, though I only tend to work on it when I'm between jobs. So maybe next time I quit my job or get laid off I'll actually get to finish the damn thing
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:41 PM   #85
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So maybe next time I quit my job or get laid off I'll actually get to finish the damn thing
You get laid off yet?
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:20 PM   #86
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You get laid off yet?
I didn't get laid off but I'll be making a web-based simulator available soon. It supports multiple draws (by allowing you to specify a drawing strategy for each player...which in turn allows you to evaluate different drawing strategies).

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Old 12-20-2014, 07:43 PM   #87
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Re: Badugi calculator available

hello
is there like a manual for people who have no idea how to start using this software anywhere? (me )
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:43 AM   #88
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You get laid off yet?
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I didn't get laid off but I'll be making a web-based simulator available soon. It supports multiple draws (by allowing you to specify a drawing strategy for each player...which in turn allows you to evaluate different drawing strategies).

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Any updates on these?
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:36 AM   #89
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is badugi same as padooki?
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Old 09-05-2017, 06:00 PM   #90
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Re: Badugi calculator available

Badugi simulator has been updated and given a bit of a face lift (to the extent of my modest design skills).

Should be more functional on mobile devices especially.

Next will be adding a quiz mode.

http://pokervane.com/badugi_simulator
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Old 09-06-2017, 06:41 AM   #91
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Very nice!
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:25 AM   #92
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Re: Badugi calculator available

Very nice. Here are four trials I ran.

Trial #1:
Players: 2
Draws remaining: 3
AsKhQdJc (362,017 0 800,000 45.3%)
Ah2d3c3s (437,983 0 437,983 54.7%)

After changing the As to the Ts, percentages shifted more than I thought dropping 4.1%! One live card makes a difference I guess.

Trial #2
Players: 2
Draws remaining: 3
TsKhQdJc (394,880 0 800,000 49.4%)
Ah2d3c3s (405,120 0 405,120 50.6%)

What if the Ts was not a key card?

Trial #3
Players: 2
Draws remaining: 3
AdKsQhJc (196,920 0 400,000 49.2%)
Ah2d3c3s (203,080 0 203,080 50.8%)

Trial #4
Players: 2
Draws remaining: 3
TdKsQhJc (197,895 0 400,000 49.5%)
Ah2d3c3s (202,105 0 202,105 50.5%)

Here you apparently gain 0.3% chance of winning by having an Ad instead of a Td as it is a worse Badugi.

Conclusion:
Inconclusive, but it seems to work.
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:03 PM   #93
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Re: Badugi calculator available

i made a test calcuation with this;
http://pokervane.com/badugi_simulator

2player
1draw

a36

vs

a238

so we have 4 outs here, correct?

the results are like this;
Hand 1:
Wins Chops Badugis Equity
63,279 226 159,279 15.8%

Hand 2:
Wins Chops Badugis Equity
336,495 226 400,000 84.2%

is this correct now

because in this link http://playlowballpoker.com/badugi-strategy/draw-odds/
it says, if we have 4 outs and draw 1 card, we actually have ~8% Equity and not 15.8% as shown in the calculator....


am i missing something!?
is this chart trash?

my human logic tells me in no limit poker, if i have 4 outs on the turn in No Limit Holdem, i have rough 8% equity...
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Old 09-17-2017, 07:09 PM   #94
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Re: Badugi calculator available

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i made a test calcuation with this;
http://pokervane.com/badugi_simulator

2player
1draw

a36

vs

a238

so we have 4 outs here, correct?

the results are like this;
Hand 1:
Wins Chops Badugis Equity
63,279 226 159,279 15.8%

Hand 2:
Wins Chops Badugis Equity
336,495 226 400,000 84.2%

is this correct now

because in this link http://playlowballpoker.com/badugi-strategy/draw-odds/
it says, if we have 4 outs and draw 1 card, we actually have ~8% Equity and not 15.8% as shown in the calculator....


am i missing something!?
is this chart trash?

my human logic tells me in no limit poker, if i have 4 outs on the turn in No Limit Holdem, i have rough 8% equity...
It's actually closer to 9% (8.9%), which is what you get when you divide the four outs by the 45 unseen cards.

I suspect you were using a "random" card in the fourth spot for the first player, i.e.:



In this scenario, the first player essentially gets two draws (one when the hand is filled out with a random card at the beginning of each iteration, and one in the draw). Thereby almost doubling his outs, and, therefore, his equity.

For this type of calculation, you should fill out the hand before starting the simulation, i.e.:



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Old 09-18-2017, 06:52 AM   #95
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Re: Badugi calculator available

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It's actually closer to 9% (8.9%), which is what you get when you divide the four outs by the 45 unseen cards.

I suspect you were using a "random" card in the fourth spot for the first player, i.e.:



In this scenario, the first player essentially gets two draws (one when the hand is filled out with a random card at the beginning of each iteration, and one in the draw). Thereby almost doubling his outs, and, therefore, his equity.

For this type of calculation, you should fill out the hand before starting the simulation, i.e.:



Mark
Ah, interesting. That makes sense. And also explains why other draw sims also had surprisingly good equity.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:09 AM   #96
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oki thanks for explanation, makes sense. maybe you can add this somewhere on the site as a hint? because i think a lot of people do this intuitively wrong...
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:33 AM   #97
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oki thanks for explanation, makes sense. maybe you can add this somewhere on the site as a hint? because i think a lot of people do this intuitively wrong...
Sure, I'll put a note to this effect in the help and at least link to it from the main simulator page.
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