Folded to me in CO with A47r.

I open, fishy BTN calls, SB folds, BB 3-bets, we call. Can't say I know anything about BB.

pat/1/2

I brick

BB cbets, I call, BTN calls.

I was heavily considering raising this flop here to:
A. potentially get his pat dugi to break in case he is willing to break or even fold a K/Qdugi.
B. extricate the BTN in case I make a junky dugi that can beat BB's possibly bad dugi.

But on average this play almost never works for me and I get people just calling all the way with their J/Q dugis. Maybe it's because getting semi-bluff raised OTF is just expected? What do you guys think?

pat/1/2

I reduce to A24r.

BB bets.

Will that flop play I didn't make actually work for me here? Or should I just call and D1? I imagine it's more credible given I'm doing it on the turn into two players.

Thanks

I don't think it's any more credible just because the second draw went pat/1/2 again, so the BB should make the same calculation on the turn as on the flop -- if BB is breaking/folding they probably would've done it for one small bet as much as one big bet I'd think.

I think I just call here, I think the real question is which badugis do you raise on the end and whether you call or fold if you catch a Q/K-dugi and BB leads.

yeah you make a good point.

Raise flop is not awful but if you do you should just snow and barrel off I think. You don’t get the immediate fold but you may later in the hand.

Against anyone competent you call any badugi on the river and probably 124 also. Good players can be bluffing.

Why would a good player snow from draw 1? There's what, 9sbs in there at the point at which BB decides to a snow, and he's going to have to risk another 5sbs across three streets against two players, hoping neither makes?

I guess the BTN sounds bad and the BB probably knows it, so maybe the overlay there makes it worth it to just ram and jam as a snow occasionally? Any concept of how frequently this is worth doing? Do you use your holding as a randomizer, e.g. do this if you have a hand like 4758 (or basically anything with four low cards that are only playing two of them)?

I do not think I have ever seen a snow from a BB against two players OOP like this. Even if he has say a hand like A345ssss decided to snow a better line would probably be to draw 1 and then pat as the strength of your perceived pat is higher.