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Old 05-10-2020, 01:07 AM   #1
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badeucy misplayed from the start?

4 handed badeucy, part of a mix

Predraw: I raised co (248)3Q, btn 3bet, sb called, I called
1st draw: 2/1/2
Flop: I bet (248)3A, both called
2nd draw: 1/0/2
Turn: I bet (248)23, both called
3rd draw: 1/0/1
River: checks to btn who bets, sb folds, hero with (248)3T?

I think I need to have 4bet predraw if I want to d1 here, and otherwise should've d2'd as played, right? And then as played I really shouldn't be betting because I can't credibly rep a made badugi.

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Old 05-10-2020, 08:16 AM   #2
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Re: badeucy misplayed from the start?

Your order of drawing is mixed up.
You're drawing in the middle (between sb and btn).
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Old 05-10-2020, 01:52 PM   #3
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Re: badeucy misplayed from the start?

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Your order of drawing is mixed up.
You're drawing in the middle (between sb and btn).
Oops that's what happens when I start reviewing hands after midnight

Correct hand history:

Predraw: I raised co (248)3Q, btn 3bet, sb called, I called
1st draw: 2/1/2
Flop: I bet (248)3A, both called
2nd draw: 1/1/2
Turn: I bet (248)23, both called
3rd draw: 1/1/1
River: checks to btn who bets, sb folds, hero with (248)3T?

Only change is that I was still d1 on every street. The other draws are correct
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Old 05-10-2020, 03:04 PM   #4
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Re: badeucy misplayed from the start?

Slightly interesting spot, first draw with a played behind i think there is merit drawing 2 to (248) or (24)3

Either increasing our chances of making a badugi or drawing smoother, which can both have better playability, especially given our position.

Maybe just check turn?
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Old 05-10-2020, 11:09 PM   #5
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Re: badeucy misplayed from the start?

I definitely draw 1 the whole way, I guess you could 4-bet pre to stay balanced. I probably check turn, and call river?? River sucks but you're closing the action heads-up. I guess he could be value-betting a good badugi.
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Old 05-16-2020, 02:21 AM   #6
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Re: badeucy misplayed from the start?

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Slightly interesting spot, first draw with a played behind i think there is merit drawing 2 to (248) or (24)3

Either increasing our chances of making a badugi or drawing smoother, which can both have better playability, especially given our position.

Maybe just check turn?
Playing (24)3 would just be terrible. You would have worse badugi hand and a worse 2-7 hand. Drawing to (248) is probably not optimal, but not such a big mistake.
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Old 05-16-2020, 12:42 PM   #7
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Re: badeucy misplayed from the start?

When SB folds, I insta-call with a T and a 3-card, knowing it's a coin flip that we're chopping up SB's money. If button has a badugi and made a 9 or better on the last draw? God bless.
(Going to check the spoiler now)
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Old 05-16-2020, 07:30 PM   #8
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Playing (24)3 would just be terrible. You would have worse badugi hand and a worse 2-7 hand. Drawing to (248) is probably not optimal, but not such a big mistake.
I don't think its the best play, but offered it from a theoretical perspective.

Drawing 2 to the (248) is my default in this spot.
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Old 05-17-2020, 01:33 AM   #9
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Re: badeucy misplayed from the start?

It may be interesting theory, but 248 is as good as 243 as a 2-7 hand and 2348 is much better. (248) is much better as a badugi hand than (24). I agree that drawing to (248) might be better than drawing to (248)3.
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Old 05-31-2020, 12:34 PM   #10
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Re: badeucy misplayed from the start?

I cap pre d1, bet flop, check turn, call river. Our 3 card badugi is a little rough and against two players drawing to smoother badguis, I think it's best to go for the 2-7 half rather than an ambitious scoop.
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