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04-13-2019 , 07:17 PM
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Anyone out there adventurous enough to take a crack at creating a distribution of hands along with probabilities assuming we draw to (258)4, (258), and (25)4?

That is a key thing to look at and understand when discussing this type of situation
im attempting to make a chart for all the possibilities after a D2 on (258)xx. Is there a systematic or easier way to do this that is less error prone?

I am trying to do this on a spreadsheet and am only confused on why the stuff don't add upto 100%. Am I intersecting some scenarios or missing some scenarios?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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04-13-2019 , 08:14 PM
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I'm not going to go into it to much, but you should 4 bet every badugi preflop
If you mean literally every badugi then no. If you mean every badugi better than a 98, then maybe. Regardless, I don't see how you can find enough non-badugi D1 hands to 4-bet to cover them. If we 4b all three-cards with a wheel draw that's not enough, so what else do you 4b?
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04-13-2019 , 09:03 PM
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We can so pat made lows with no badugi and snows.

But i dont think 4! Is mandatory either. This is one of the best games for disguising monster hands.
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04-13-2019 , 10:27 PM
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im attempting to make a chart for all the possibilities after a D2 on (258)xx. Is there a systematic or easier way to do this that is less error prone?

I am trying to do this on a spreadsheet and am only confused on why the stuff don't add upto 100%. Am I intersecting some scenarios or missing some scenarios?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
This is looking pretty good brother

I agree with your 8 low only amount (5%) and your probability of making an 8/8 (around 3.9%). Though for 8 Badugi only I get around 13.4%. Perhaps it’s something in there? But I’m also off 100% by around 1% last time I did it so I need to review mine as well. I can circle back later
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04-14-2019 , 05:28 AM
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I don't see how you can find enough non-badugi D1 hands to 4-bet to cover them. If we 4b all three-cards with a wheel draw that's not enough, so what else do you 4b?
most likely the non-badugi D1 hands that you don't want to 4 bet are actully draw 2 hands.
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04-14-2019 , 09:27 AM
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most likely the non-badugi D1 hands that you don't want to 4 bet are actully draw 2 hands.
Help me out then. Why do we want to play our badugi hands in a way that lets other players accurately narrow our range? If we do, it should train our opponents not to pay off with their weaker badugis or three-cards and to call us with more non-badugi lows.
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04-14-2019 , 11:14 AM
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Help me out then. Why do we want to play our badugi hands in a way that lets other players accurately narrow our range? If we do, it should train our opponents not to pay off with their weaker badugis or three-cards and to call us with more non-badugi lows.
I don't understand how we are able to "conceal our range" by not capping pre-flop when we then have to turn around and draw 1. our range is gonna be exactly the same when we take 1 whether we cap or not, and that range should be very strong.
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04-14-2019 , 12:27 PM
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This is looking pretty good brother

I agree with your 8 low only amount (5%) and your probability of making an 8/8 (around 3.9%). Though for 8 Badugi only I get around 13.4%. Perhaps it’s something in there? But I’m also off 100% by around 1% last time I did it so I need to review mine as well. I can circle back later
not sure how you got 13.4%. Perhaps you were doing (234) where (2345)6 and (2346)5 are counted against you?

I think I figured it out in the spreadsheet, but im not 100% sure if my maff is right.
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04-14-2019 , 02:35 PM
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not sure how you got 13.4%. Perhaps you were doing (234) where (2345)6 and (2346)5 are counted against you?

I think I figured it out in the spreadsheet, but im not 100% sure if my maff is right.
No I did it against 237 and we are only talking about the eight or better badugis anyway. Did it two ways, probabilities and playing around with Flopzilla

By figured it out, did you get it all summing up to 100%?

FWIW in Ken Los Book he has the number somewhere in 14% for just an 8 Badugi or better. But think that’s wrong
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04-14-2019 , 02:45 PM
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i have everything upto 100% in the excel sheet, and im confident it's right, but i wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.

drawing to (258)KK, I have

8/8 at 3.89%
*/8 at 5.00%
8/* at 12.58%
8 LD only at 35.52%
Unimproved at 43.02%

summing all those up gets me to 100
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04-14-2019 , 03:16 PM
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i have everything upto 100% in the excel sheet, and im confident it's right, but i wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.

drawing to (258)KK, I have

8/8 at 3.89%
*/8 at 5.00%
8/* at 12.58%
8 LD only at 35.52%
Unimproved at 43.02%

summing all those up gets me to 100
Awesome man!

Think you are probably right and if not we are close enough to where it doesn’t matter. Both our numbers round to 13.

Care to try the (25)4? I don’t think we should do that here but interesting to see how often we improve with that type of holding.
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