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badeucey T/T after the first draw badeucey T/T after the first draw

04-03-2018 , 10:41 PM
I open 842(AQ) scdhh in the HJ

loose btn calls, sb calls

2-1-3

I make Th9d8s4c2d otherwise known as ten/ten

I bet, call call

2, pat, 2

check, i bet, raise, sb cold calls 2, i fold

standard?
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04-04-2018 , 12:08 AM
Having trouble following the action. Did the first draw go 3/2/2? In other words going from SB to you the HJ to the button?

Standard raise from HJ but I would have checked (and called) and drawn two again on flop against two opponents. Even against one I'm not sure (depends if opponent will fold D2 unimproved) but against two players I think the deck is certainly too stacked against you and there is reverse implied odds.

As played I would also fold to the action described. You are obviously beat one way. It's possible you are drawing stone dead but even if you are still ahead on one side, obviously there is great potential we could lose it. And there was just a single raise pre draw and one bet on flop.
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04-04-2018 , 12:45 AM
I'd draw 2 going into 2nd draw as well. I'd pat that hand after 2nd draw HU though if it went 2-2.
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04-04-2018 , 01:06 AM
Don't pat that hand right away. Draw 2. As played, you have to call down. Pot is big enough and you're going to win half often enough vs either a badugi that's freerolling or a pat low with a 3cd
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04-04-2018 , 01:07 AM
sorry its 2/2/3 first draw

sb took two, i took two to 842r, and button drew 3

i'd pat any 9/9 of course, if i had a good 3cd i'd just bet for value

so I guess i'd check like 742 that bricked
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04-04-2018 , 03:18 AM
You prob shouldn't fold to the BTN's raise on the turn. He drew 2 and has plenty of incentive to KO the SB. My guess is he's made a decent badugi and is freerolling for half. Slightly less frequently, I'd put him on a nutty 2-7 hand, with or without a decent tri.

When the SB cc the raise, but doesn't attempt to KO you w a 3bet, I'm putting him on a decent 2 way draw that needs to improve to get any of the pot.

I don't hate patting the T/T, as 248xx is not that strong of a draw and you've already seen the SB draw 2 again. But it's obv the higher variance play and you should have a vague game plan for this spot (which occurs a lot), if you're going to take this line. X/c and D2 would be more standard and we haven't discarded any blockers. But patting the T/T w some FE could be ok if you feel like you have a good feel for how villains will play various portions of their range, esp if they are folding too much on the big streets.

I agree w your thought process re 248xx vs. 247xx. I'm not as sure about what other conditions would compel us to pat vs. D2.
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04-04-2018 , 10:33 AM
Pot really isn't that big considering you are only playing for half (at best) and there was only a single raise predraw.

Let's first look at the impact of there only being one single raise vs a re-raise. With a single raise we are getting around 5.75 for half the pot but with a 3 bet pre it is 8.5 to 1. Big difference.

5.75 to 1 sounds big and that translates to around 15% however you are faced with prospects of being dead to both, reverse implied odds, and being pushed off the your half due to river action that you cannot endure.

I would fold. If someone looks into this more deeply mathematically it's possible that maybe we should call. But I don't think we have to.
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04-04-2018 , 11:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips
Don't pat that hand right away. Draw 2. As played, you have to call down. Pot is big enough and you're going to win half often enough vs either a badugi that's freerolling or a pat low with a 3cd
I misread the hand and thought that the raise got the pot HU. 3-ways I can understand folding, but I'm not sure
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04-05-2018 , 08:17 PM
Don't pat the t, there is even a case for drawing 3 immediately since drawing to strong badugis tends to be more important than drawing for strong los
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04-07-2018 , 11:19 PM
I think you played it fine
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04-13-2018 , 06:20 AM
I would play it the same except I would call the turn raise instead of fold and then draw 2
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