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10-11-2019 , 06:05 PM

acepokerblog

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It's 7-handed. I'm UTG+1 in a loose goosey zoo limit game. Everyone realizes I'm super tight so I probably won't get three-bet. But I will still get a lot of cold-calls if I raise.

UTG open limps.

I have 8764 badugi and a King.

Raise, call, or fold?

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10-11-2019 , 06:08 PM

OnTheRail15

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Wtf is this game?

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10-11-2019 , 06:09 PM

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Badugi/Archie Triple Draw split pot.

Just like Archie except lowball side is not A-5 but Badugi (4 card rainbow, nuts is A234).

Pair of nines is qualifier for Hi side and three-card badugi is qualifier for Lo side.

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10-11-2019 , 06:13 PM

OnTheRail15

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Ah. I think your hand is

Badarchie (Badugi/Archie TD): Raise with (8764)K?

and should be folded, especially in these game conditions.

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10-11-2019 , 06:16 PM

OnTheRail15

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I’ve never played this variant. I assume you are playing Vegas rules for the Archie.

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10-11-2019 , 06:17 PM

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Oh you aren’t. That seems extra dumb if nines are the qualifier. Yeah 99+ your hand is even worse.

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10-11-2019 , 06:18 PM

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Really?

Isn't a pat 8 badugi that can improve to a straight and/or a better badugi good enough?

8764 badugi can scoop with the straight and it can improve to a seven badugi, which seems solid enough for the Lo side.

Am I overrating 7 high badugis in this game?

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10-11-2019 , 06:19 PM

OnTheRail15

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Originally Posted by acepokerblog

Really?

Isn't a pat 8 badugi that can improve to a straight and/or a better badugi good enough?

It can scoop with the straight and it can improve to a seven badugi, which seems solid enough for the Lo side.

Am I overrating 7 high badugis in this game?

It’s triple draw right?? Seems like you should be playing pretty similar to badacey.

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10-11-2019 , 06:23 PM

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It’s triple draw right?? Seems like you should be playing pretty similar to badacey.

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It's triple draw.

I think we can raise the badugi starting hand requirements slightly from badacey because some people will get dealt open-ended straight draws with high cards, four card flush draws, trips, two pair, and big pairs. They will go for the Hi so they won't be competing against my badugi.

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10-12-2019 , 03:29 AM

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kisada

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what will they think of next

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10-12-2019 , 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kisada

what will they think of next

In the same day when I played Badarchie, the table also played this game but instead of triple draw, it was Stud.

So, it was Stud Hi/Lo but the Lo side was badugi.

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10-12-2019 , 10:52 AM

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They aren’t going to play these instead of their okay to good 3 cards though. So it’ll just result in more multi-way pots. My feeling is that this hand has severe rio problems and only can improve to a qualifying high hand one way plus you’re utg+1 and have no chance of taking it down pre so you should fold.

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10-13-2019 , 05:04 AM

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Sounds like a terrible variant. Fold, hero should be very selective ep and this hand is borderline at best.

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10-15-2019 , 10:45 PM

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Lol this game doesn’t sound too awful but think the the qualifiers should be better thought out. Three card Badugi requirement is a joke and there will always be one

With qualifiers as is against a table of people who know what they are doing you are essentially playing 5 card Badugi with occasional dealt super premium high hand playing and getting half. And I think you have a bad 5 card Badugi hand

Shown down badugis will be stronger than those in Badacey as no one is keeping a card just for low purposes

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10-16-2019 , 08:24 PM

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Thanks for everyone's replies.

This is definitely a fold.

It looks like I should been only be opening in this position with premium 3-card badugi draws like A25 or better and big two pairs or better (I'm thinking Queens up or better).

Not sure what a good four-card badugi would be good to open. Maybe anything as good or better than A457?

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10-17-2019 , 01:45 AM

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Given that there is basically no qualifier on the low side I'd imagine Queens and Kings Up are losing money. Since your hands are hidden the situation is not as bad in Stud Hi/Lo Regular but have to think high hands are traps, particularly two pair. Definitely playing something like A(A56) though.

Don't think you need to play as tight with A25 though in regards to tris. Having the second worst tri is less of a disadvantage because on the last draw badugis are so much easier to make. I say last draw because in 5cd badugi you should probably be discarding weaker badugis.

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10-20-2019 , 09:39 PM

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RolldUpTrips

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Congrats to this game on making Archie dumber. It's a difficult achievement.

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01-21-2020 , 03:57 AM

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brick

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Played Archie the other night and it made my head spin circles even though I have played poker for 20 years and I'm getting good at all the mix games. Drawmaha was great to play for the first time.
TD HL split games need to take a hike. I can't imagine they help bring new players into the limit mix game scene.
When I search for Archie and read the posts,it seems there is very little way to tell if someone is going high or low which means everyone has to call the river.
Where's the just say no to TD HL thread?

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01-21-2020 , 04:32 PM

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etm.

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Archdugi would be a better name

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01-31-2020 , 03:05 PM

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zoogenhiem

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The quality of this variant is in the name: bad Archie

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