Badacey 30/60. I open (345)JQ btn. BB defends.

2,2. (345)6K. BB chks. Hero bets. BB raises. Hero calls.

1,1. (345)6x. BB bets. Hero calls.

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What is the lowest non badugi x card you pat here?

I'm curious in the answer because I found myself in this spot a lot when playing recently. I don't even know my A-5 equities well. I think for the A-5 half, you're a favorite against a d1 with a T, although it may be a 9. I'm def keeping a 7 or 8 here. We can go through the options of what happens on river:

1/1: you call a bet (right?) and check if checked to unless you make a badugi or 6lo, in which case you raise
1/0: you call a bet if bet into, but don't think you can bet if checked to (too likely to get scooped, unlikely to get half to fold)

So feels like drawing is better for the implied odds in general.

https://www.countingouts.com/ace-to-...eak-decisions/

With a pat eight here you typically have around 68% equity or so on the low side, thus it seems like you should keep that card

A nine seems like a clear break to me as you are a lesser favorite, mostly eliminate your chances to scoop, and lop off the reverse implied odds where you just have to call all rivers

Haven't modeled out keeping the eight, it's possible dropping that is slightly more EV, but I'm taking an educated guess that keeping it is best, at worse its close

Will say that I think we only have a decision with precisely an 8. With an 7 you have way too much equity for low and with a nine you give up way too much when he does not have a badugi

Yeah I struggle with these spots as well. Ended up breaking a 9, which felt somewhat close. I was also curious what badugi x card to keep in same situation?

When I played in a $50/100 mix, my go to was to assume players only raise turn and draw 1 with a badugi until proven otherwise, so I'll assume that in this hand barring a read. If that's the case, I'm probably not keeping a paint badugi card. Definitely keeping an 8. I would probably keep a 9 because we're nearly correct to keep it as a non-badugi. Maybe that would justify keeping a ten too but there's probably some implied odds in drawing. If I think villain is capable of raising just with 4 good low ones, I probably keep at least up to a Queen (I just picked that number out of thin air, but a Q still had good equity pat vs a d1 and villain may be drawing dead to scoop if we pat).

I'm not breaking or patting the 9: I'm folding the entire hand.

too tight even if opponent hands you a signed affidavit that he has A234 badugi

The pat 9 has 58% chance to win half and half the pot has slightly over two big bets in there

As played breaking the 9, what river non badugi cards do we call? 7.25 to 1, but drawing effectively to half. So I believe we need to win the low at least 21.6% of the time, meaning we call any non-pair. Does this sound right?

Yes that’s about right

But this is one of the worst hands that I call the turn with and just to clarify my first reply to you we obviously don't know he's still drawing when we call the turn but he doesn't always have a badugi either

Zoo, this guy c/r on the flop against a button open thus I feel there are a fair amount of non badugis in villain's range. Even more so if this was online


Anyway I would keep the nine badugi but that's probably as high as I go. Even when our opponent has non badugis in his range he is still going to have one more often than not.


If we keep something as high as a queen, we are giving ourselves around 25%-30% equity on the A-5 side which is the half we had a greater chance at

When we called, we didn't know if he was drawing 1 or pat. We are not 58% with a 9

Right, I clarified above. Still think too tight

I think drawing 2 again is probably better than keeping the 6.

6 I would keep; 7 i would drop on first draw.

Even if BB doesn't have a badugi, he has a better tri than us almost always, and our 543 doesn't reduce well.

I think it may be close to keeping or ditching the 6 given our exact hand. But typically in Badacey adhering the simple rule of thumb that 6s are good enough to keep but a 7 needs to help on badugi side to keep. (Initial dealt or on 1st draw)


BB can have stuff like (A26)4 and if he doesn't I think he should against a button open.


At some point I'm going to take a closer look at this hand. Given we raised the button and D2 how often are we going to have (345)6 or better on turn here? Button open has lots of three card sixes and sevens as well as stuff like (23)4.