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05-23-2018 , 02:40 AM
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8/16. folded to me OTB. don't really know much about the players in sb/bb.

A 2 5 8 7

if both players call and d2, what would you discard?

if it's just one player what would you discard vs d2? vs d3?


the 7 is a weird card for me because i'm not really starting with it too often as i learn the game. but it's got me partway to badugi with position so i'm unsure how to value this here.

thanks in advance
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05-23-2018 , 03:01 AM
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Draw to 75A in all instances.
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05-23-2018 , 01:15 PM
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I did some preliminary modeling a few months ago that suggests keeping A257 here may be the more profitable line

Compared with A57 your odds of making both a 7 low and 7 badugi is about the same (this is your scoop scenario)

But your odds of making one or the other increases with the A257 (scoop defense and realization of equity)
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05-23-2018 , 03:30 PM
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Not sure but I would probably keep the A57.

Side Note:Can we have a bunch of examples of hands (both baducey and badacey) whether to draw 1 or 2 similar to this please!
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05-23-2018 , 04:16 PM
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At some point I was going to do some extensive work on this but in general I think players overvalue maximizing the chance to go for a badugi and I understand the value of a freeroll

But have to balance out in not tossing key cards the other way too. You may even use the deuce for a badugi

When you tree it all out can’t fully neglect a piece of fold equity D1. Here two ways not as pronounced but HU it is a definite factor
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05-23-2018 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
I did some preliminary modeling a few months ago that suggests keeping A257 here may be the more profitable line

Compared with A57 your odds of making both a 7 low and 7 badugi is about the same (this is your scoop scenario)

But your odds of making one or the other increases with the A257 (scoop defense and realization of equity)
I'd prob go w this in both instances, but esp HU
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05-23-2018 , 07:57 PM
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What if it's 125(78) are we drawing 2 or 1 then ?

Having 6badugi outs(ignoring card removal) to the unsuited ace n duce might swing this hand into a d1 but in general pulling 2 seems to be better choice. I'd be interested in the maths.

Against 1 soul if they d3 I'd definitely d1.fwiw.
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05-23-2018 , 09:13 PM
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If I have A25(78) I’d definitely D2
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05-24-2018 , 12:19 AM
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If I have A25(78) I’d definitely D2
Does this mean you would throw away a made 7 Badugi? Or am I misunderstanding the notation?
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05-24-2018 , 12:47 AM
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Does this mean you would throw away a made 7 Badugi? Or am I misunderstanding the notation?
I take it to mean an A25 tri and the 78 are duplicating suits
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05-27-2018 , 01:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
I did some preliminary modeling a few months ago that suggests keeping A257 here may be the more profitable line

Compared with A57 your odds of making both a 7 low and 7 badugi is about the same (this is your scoop scenario)

But your odds of making one or the other increases with the A257 (scoop defense and realization of equity)
Came to similar conclusions for Badeucy (although little more worthwhile there because of straight draws) and find these spots are a common source of disagreement, also including hands with 3 wheel cards and 2 suits.
There’s also lots of benefits that come from taking 1
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05-29-2018 , 12:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
I did some preliminary modeling a few months ago that suggests keeping A257 here may be the more profitable line

Compared with A57 your odds of making both a 7 low and 7 badugi is about the same (this is your scoop scenario)

But your odds of making one or the other increases with the A257 (scoop defense and realization of equity)
I agree
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