100 bb cap, 6s or better

we open 3x button and sb calls and takes 2. you have As2s3s Ah 7c....

I'm assuming this is pot limit? Never heard of not fixed limit Archie. What does it play like?

I think HU, keep AA7. Multiway I'd consider drawing to A23sss.

yeah its pot limit and ante could be 4, but don't think so in this one.

We want to scoop and if SB is cc and D2, we may scoop w a decent sized flop bet when SB doesn't improve. But we prob cant a raise. I don't see many ways we win a big pot w AA and SB should have a tighter cc range .

I see the lack of multiway action as maybe compensated for by the game playing pot limit. When we go w A23, we almost never lose a big pot and can sometimes win a big pot, esp in position. We have a better low draw if that's what we're up against. And w 3 draws and betting streets left, we should get a clue on what way SB is going. We either scoop/split big pot, or scoop/lose/split a small pot w A23sss and I don't see as much ev going one way w unpleasant RIO w AA7.

Would keep the AA7, breaking takes you from a very big favorite to an underdog against a pair..although I haven’t worked out the equity of something like a23s vs a high pair but tossing an ace that we can’t get back I’d imagine we are a dog.

If he has a three low still breaking a lot of equity.

Exercising pot control on turn seems like a good play to induce bluffs from bust useless hands and max value from smaller pairs that would not call 3 streets unimproved

Scotch, I recall you saying recently that you don't like people drawing 2 with AA since there's not a ton of deception value and you hurt your equity. Are you advocating keeping AA7 here since it's pot limit? Or so you can switch to a low draw if you catch 2 low ones?

Depends on the situation, that was probably against a guy drawing one, every situation is different. When ahead of a pair drawing less does not hurt you as much as when you may possibly be behind two pair. Also this is the 1st draw on button so more benefit to keeping a wide range muddled

But anyhow on button think we should draw 2 with AA, low draw, and trips. In Archie many people will draw one to trips no matter what. Makes no sense whatsoever when D2 lows are in your range.

While it’s rarely considered I think A237 actually has way more
Value than people may think in this spot for a variety of reasons and may even be best. This will largely depend on villains willingness to make/showdown/stack off with any low. As I have frequently seen 87 lows call off plit size river bets there is a lot of
Value in having a smooth 7 or having any pat hand in generalz

You can def stack somebody with A237, it’s very hard to do so with AA7

You aren’t really trying to stack someone with AA7, you are going to win a lot more pots and given antes, the 3B pre raise, flop call, and possible inducement of a river bluff these would be many blinds in the middle

Plus I can also imagine it’s quite easy to stack yourself with a237

However, I think the more valid argument to playing A237 in the PL format is the ability to blow pairs out of the pot. And with the cards we hold I think it's more likely due to removal that he has something like KK or QQ instead of a D2 low.

I’m sure I’m gonna ramble here but part of the problem with AA7 is when we c-bet unimproved and take 2, which pretty much gives the sb a green light to bomb away if they make any low hand. It’s not a big deal in limit but really sucks if it’s pot limit and he can go pot-pot for 2 streets.

If we take a look at sb range and eliminate trips (possibly but unlikely) we disagree in that I think low draws are far more likely but that just comes from playing more hands and observation. But if he does have hu it’s JJ-KK and we beat those hands with A237 anyways when he doesn’t improve. When he does improve to 2 pair we likely beat it with A237 when we make a low as well as he’s likely to fold at some point.

If he does have a low, we block an Ace so it can easily be 234, 245 he’ll I’ve seen 357 frequently here. This matters because if he is going low our A hu actually has a Tom if showdown value in that he’s mostl likely to either (a) fold to a bet on later steer if he doesn’t improve or (b) improve to a draw that can’t beat A hi and allows us to scoop if he catches a 9-K on end or even (c) improve to 6 low draw

There are some other factors to beside pure hot/cold equity that I think come into affect in pot limit that don’t matter as much in NL but I think the more willing the player is to call 245 type hands and what they do with 2 pair vs pat hands can easily make A237 the correct play. I’m not entirely convinced one way or another as I think I’ve taken all 3 options at some point .

I do recall one hand I started A25sA6 sb called and took 3. I made aces full and got in 100Bb vas 87653 low after they check called turn and river. That hand made me rethink things

Well it's relatively hard to go from two to pat low, it's around 13% but much less with dead cards. It's insanely bad to call with 357 as is that play with 87653, you were pat? If every player is a monkey like that than it's important to mention in a read.

I do agree with though that the A237 is a better hand in PL Archie than in limit due to ability to blow pairs that would go to showdown in limit off their hands. So due to this it is a viable option over AA7.

But card removal is a thing so pairs are quite likely unless you are saying they are folding KK, QQ, JJ etc. With cards removed KK is around 5% but A23 is .8%, A24 1.2%, A34 1.2%, 234 is 1.7% so KK equals all of those combos. Then there is still QQ, JJ. But in general D2 lows are quite bad hands in Archie especially stuff like 245 and worse

Edited to add that the amount of those low combos are much lower than I typed above . For example that 234 probability of 234 includes A2345, 2346, 2347 2345 etc, and they would not be D2. To same extent the KK would be less as well as but not as dramatic...it's not worth revising though

they dont have to go 2-pat low since they can easily go 1-1 any low after our draw two cbet and either pot pot two streets or cr bomb turn. regarding qq kk type stuff im saying if they dont improve first draw theyll check fold and ecen if they do improve its touhh to gdt to showdown wkth queens up when we make a low and can pot 3 times.

Right well in my discussion earlier I suggested a possible turn check back for pot control accompanied with a possible deceptive D1 to aces.

If you hold a higher pair vs a lower pair the cost of doing this is only an equity reduction of 77% to 74%. But playing in this manner will induce bluffs in addition to picking two streets of nice value from pairs that will be bluff catching

I don’t disagree with that lows increase in value and pairs decrease in value as you shift to PL. But while the low draw is easiest draw in the game to complete you still only complete it around 72% of the time over the course of 3 draws I think it is. So you are going to have to be bombing a lot on the draw.