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Archie hand with mediocre low in SB Archie hand with mediocre low in SB

12-29-2017 , 12:59 PM
5 handed Archie, Arizona rules, twice weekly home game, everybody is a regular.

Button-2 is a whale (plays way too many hands and takes them too far) and limps first in, button-1 is tight and tough, also limps. Button folds. Hero completes the small blind with 22467, big blind checks his option.

First draw is 1-3-2-1. Hero draws a 5 and now has 24567. Hero bets, BB folds, B-2 and B-1 both call.

Hero pats.

How’re we doing so far? What if B-1 had raised before the first draw-would we call a raise from SB with our hand?
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12-29-2017 , 01:42 PM
Low hands in Archie are overrated, your low hand is barely worth a complete (but I would still) so I would not call a raise.

I’d just draw two to the 246
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12-29-2017 , 08:10 PM
I also would fold for a raise but limp SB here. I also would draw two to 246. Having a shot at a gapper straight draw is much better than a draw to a mediocre Seven.

You're getting in cheap in a multi-way pot. If your hand is empirically weak as a D1 but has scoop potential D2, you should play for the chance to make a big hand rather than trying to fill a mediocre one-way draw that has no scoops and often bad RIO.
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12-30-2017 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Low hands in Archie are overrated,
I read your Archie articles in 2+2 magazine, they were instructive and I (more or less) learned this lesson. I feel confident I would've folded this meh hand if it was raised preflop-drawing to a bad 7 with little chance to scoop, yuk! Only reason I brought this up was because I couldn't recall if B-1 had raised, uncharacteristic of him to limp anything playable in position 5-handed.

So I agree with the above 2 posts that I blew this hand on the first draw. As played, would you pitch the 2 on the first draw to give yourself a chance to scoop with a straight and a low? I'm OOP which is a huge disadvantage but as played Button-1 looks like he has a low draw, and it will certainly beat mine if he gets there. In hindsight I think I should draw 1 here so I have a shot at a scoop, but at the time I thought my low was good since B-1 didn't raise (I would've simply folded if he had).

Here's the way the rest of the hand played out, no other interesting decisions:

After Hero pats the 2nd draw, it goes 2-1. B-2 probably has 3 to a straight or flush, B-1 has a low draw that I need to fade, he won't call down a worse low than what I have.

Hero bets, both call. Hero pats the 3rd draw, then magic happens and they both change up, it goes 3-3 and I know I'm getting half

They both call the river, B-1 ends up with trip aces for the other half.
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12-30-2017 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by quantph
I read your Archie articles in 2+2 magazine, they were instructive and I (more or less) learned this lesson. I feel confident I would've folded this meh hand if it was raised preflop-drawing to a bad 7 with little chance to scoop, yuk! Only reason I brought this up was because I couldn't recall if B-1 had raised, uncharacteristic of him to limp anything playable in position 5-handed.

So I agree with the above 2 posts that I blew this hand on the first draw. As played, would you pitch the 2 on the first draw to give yourself a chance to scoop with a straight and a low? I'm OOP which is a huge disadvantage but as played Button-1 looks like he has a low draw, and it will certainly beat mine if he gets there. In hindsight I think I should draw 1 here so I have a shot at a scoop, but at the time I thought my low was good since B-1 didn't raise (I would've simply folded if he had).

Here's the way the rest of the hand played out, no other interesting decisions:

After Hero pats the 2nd draw, it goes 2-1. B-2 probably has 3 to a straight or flush, B-1 has a low draw that I need to fade, he won't call down a worse low than what I have.

Hero bets, both call. Hero pats the 3rd draw, then magic happens and they both change up, it goes 3-3 and I know I'm getting half

They both call the river, B-1 ends up with trip aces for the other half.
Thanks...yeah drawing at the 4567 seems like the best play
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