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12-14-2017 , 10:28 AM
6 handed mix. tightest/best player open raises UTG. . UTG+1 tight nit who is playing his 25th hand of archie in his life 3 bets.

i call 3 cold from the button with A35T7
bad/aweful/loose/weak button calls 3.

UTG caps, all call

UTG pats, UTG+1 draws 1

how many do i draw?
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12-14-2017 , 07:13 PM
I would draw two.
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12-14-2017 , 09:46 PM
I would draw one to flush
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12-14-2017 , 10:45 PM
I draw 2, I think drawing 1 to the 7 is the 2nd best option and that drawing 1 to the flush is the worst choice
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12-14-2017 , 10:58 PM
drawing to the 7 in a capped multiway pot would be suicidal. I like drawing 1 to the flush, we're ~50% to complete with a chance to scoop
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12-15-2017 , 12:51 AM
I'd toss the Th 7s as well. HU I'd draw one to the flush.
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12-15-2017 , 09:27 AM
As played with some past history, i put UTG raiser on a good pat 7 low. first draw i draw 1 to the flush and catch another A. so now we have
A35Thhhh and a black A

UTG bets, call, i call, call.

does the A change anyone's mind about UTG's pat hand? or what to do?
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12-15-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by QUADT2
As played with some past history, i put UTG raiser on a good pat 7 low. first draw i draw 1 to the flush and catch another A. so now we have
A35Thhhh and a black A

UTG bets, call, i call, call.

does the A change anyone's mind about UTG's pat hand? or what to do?
Initially mathematically it’s around the same probability that someone has a strong made low or a strong made pat high both of which they would have played the same way, doesn’t seem like history comes into this.

A means it is less likely he has a low or an ace high flush that may beat you. I continue drawing one to flush
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12-15-2017 , 09:37 PM
Scotch it would be great if you could elaborate a little more on why you prefer drawing 1 to the flush, to drawing 2 initially and/or how close a decision you think it is.

Once utg pats and he is a good player we should believe he has one of the best 1.5% possible hands you mention in your article. [I reviewed them on your website since they are no longer cached in the 2+2 magazine] About half of which are highs straight or better, and half will be los of 75xxx 76xxx depending on how strongly he plays some of those hands. And the tinier combination of 2way hands.

Since we are live against worst flushes, drawing 1 to a flush means we are drawing poorly about 1 in 7 times, assuming he never folds incorrectly. Moreover, when we brick, our decisions about how to proceed can be quite tricky. We may face another cap, switch strategies to chase a lo or even just give up.

Villain will have a 6 lo at about the same frequency he has an undefeatable hi (ignoring us draw trips into boat) but when he does we will have some equity towards the hi in addition to our chances at lo.

My reasoning so far is that drawing 2 will tend to give us superior playability to the 1 draw for most of the hand. Based on your comments, I think I have probably been undervaluing op's starting draw. Really cool to see this game getting discussed on the forum and appreciate all the excelent material you have written on different draw games.

Last edited by monikrazy; 12-15-2017 at 09:47 PM.
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12-16-2017 , 12:51 AM
I relooked at the stats and someone is dealt a straight or better.76% of the time, flush or better .37% of time, and full House or better .17% if the time.

If we make the AT flush (or higher), I think it will be good against this range around 75% of the time against this range.

And we are only drawing one for this draw.

On the low side someone is dealt a 65 or better .24% of the time. A 75 or lower is .83% of the time. This is why I said initially he has around the same probability for his hand being high versus low. But it may be more weighted for high as he would probably break hands like 23457.

If he’s going high drawing one gives us a better chance to scoop.

Drawing two is a long way from a low and even more from a high as the wheel will never beat his high.

With this flop action I think we have a comfy call a draw one. Hope to hit the hand or at least have similar action on turn.

Didn’t dive too much deeper than that but my gut just felt drawing to the flush was best.
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