9 4 2 3 6 in SB.

HJ raise, i 3bet, BB calls, HJ calls

Anyone pat right away? We have nut tri. Anyone drawing 2 here?

I choose to toss the 9.

1 - 2 - 1

T 4 2 3 6

i bet, call, call

I would probably check this hand if my tri was a lot worse, but I figure I'm looking good at the moment on the dugi side since HJ didn't cap pre.

Anyone hate the flop bet though?

1 - 1 - 1

9 4 2 3 6

i bet, BB calls, HJ raises, i call, BB calls and i pat.

Pretty marginal spot for sure. Anyone play it different?

pat - pat - 1 (so BB just called the raise also and pats)

river:

i check, BB leads, HJ just calls, i call?

I love this game. I wasn't sure what I was meant to do on every street.

Tough spot at first draw, probably i do the same and toss the 9 as well.
After that i play the same way and i think river should be an easy fold.
HJ always have a better badugi as played and BB very likely has a 7 without a badugi as played.

I 3 bet and draw 2...never patting

Flatting and drawing two is also an option....i think i still prefer 3 betting and drawing 2....3 betting and 1 is not a bad play either....but leaning toward drawing 2

It seems like nobody on 2+2 really knows how to play predraw in frequent spots like this whenever I ask, and those who do keep their secrets close to their chest lol.

I probably draw 2 3way and draw 1 HU pre. As played I think river is a fold. HJ almost always has a better badugi than you and it seems like BB just slowplayed a good lo hand trying to keep you in pot.

I also 3! pre.

Think D2 is optimal regardless of HU or 3 way, would only keep an 8 or 7 here, not a 6.

6 is annoying as it creates a straight draw so may as well take max discards

yeah i've been pondering this situation for a little while now as it keeps coming up. BCD-ish tri with a 6. it's like vexing because it seems like we can reasonably play it, but it also damages your hand just enough to bother you.

up to this point i think i've been keeping it when i feel like players aren't too sticky. at the same time if we're not 3-betting this hand or raising our D1's postflop, it turns our hand faceup (a negative impact i'm not sure how to value).

is it possible that keeping the 6 here is more of a neutral or slightly positive EV play here? and ditching it overall is just clear positive EV?

Oh I’m not sure at all what is the best play, but I’d rather D2 here..definitely not clear positive EV over keeping it.

Always draw 2 on 1st here, does not seem close at all, you even have 3 clubs making your badugi odds that much better

To elaborate, your hand has more total equity from the badugi side, while tossing the 6 is at worst a tiny mistake on the low side, maximizing badugi equity is way more valuable

I draw 2 as well but I think it’s quite close. HU I almost certainly draw 1 with this hand.


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same

yes most people get these spots wrong which is why badeucy is a much better game than people realize. I think they often try to just play a robotic style, i.e.e draw 2 with 3 card hands always etc and dont understand difference between 234(7) 234(8) 236(8) 238(4-5) or the 234(6). Theres so many difference options especially when pots go off multiways and in/out of position it makes it such a fun/interesting game to play.


its just a shame there are so many mix pros that don't like it because they think its a bad game (to many split pot....takes to long etc....) when there are so many mistakes made.

pot limit is even more fun

well since we're on that topic, what really is the difference between those hands? as a novice myself the way i see it

234(7) uber strong
234(8) pretty strong
236(8) almost as strong as above hand
238(4-5) strong but requires prudence since it's easy for another tri to beat ours
234(6) well, think we talked about that in this thread

obviously this is just discussing absolute hand strength, but is there more to it than that, that you're suggesting?

some of those hands you draw 1 and some you draw 2.
also there is large difference ebtween 234(8) and 236(8) although it may seem that way

i think there are some situations where i'd consider not 3betting SB to let BB in and then drawing at the (234). but if BB is either very tight or way too loose i think i'd default to 3betting and drawing two multiway or 1 HU. OP drawing 1 multiway seems like a pretty clear leak imo shrug.

What's our 3!/d2 sb range looking like? Feel like this is one of our only hands. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but I'd like to consider further.