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8/16 A-5 hand, Odd spot with 7543A 8/16 A-5 hand, Odd spot with 7543A

07-15-2018 , 05:21 AM
Hi, couple spots in this hand I'd like opinions on, i numbered them.

SB is a good aggressive reg. Sometimes a bit too loose/aggro but mainly with wide opens and 3bets. Not overly spewy. He is capable of making moves.

BB is a tight reg. Not really apt to bluff or get out of line.

1. I raise A5 9TK otb. Is this too wide given the reads? I'm mainly targeting the nitty BB.

sb 3bets.

BB calls, i call.

2 - 2 - 3

I have A357T

sb bets, BB calls, i raise?

2. I expect BB to almost always raise a 1cd on the flop here to push me out and inherit the button. So given he is almost for sure on a 2cd is this a good raise? SB wouldn't bet a 2cd here fwiw.

both players call.

pat - 2 - 1

I catch A3457

3. SB bets, BB folds, I raise, SB 3bets, i ?

Looking back at this action now it seems suspicious. if he had a weak pat hand he would have probably 3bet the flop to try and force out the BB right?

Could this be something other than a slowplayed wheel?
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07-15-2018 , 07:07 AM
Where did he slowplay?
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07-15-2018 , 07:14 AM
after my flop raise, he called and patted. then he bet/3bets. so he didn't fastplay whatever he had on the flop by 3betting right away.
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07-15-2018 , 03:19 PM
I hate the flop raise.
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07-15-2018 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
I hate the flop raise.
Agreed. Do we call and draw 1 or 2?

Pretty sure D1

Last edited by ScotchOnDaRocks; 07-15-2018 at 03:58 PM.
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07-15-2018 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Agreed. Do we call and draw 1 or 2?

Pretty sure D1


Yeah I call draw one usually


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07-15-2018 , 04:52 PM
Flop raise is really bad. I would D1 vs a D1 and D2 vs a pat. As played, on turn I would freeze
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07-15-2018 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
I hate the flop raise.
Are we raising this flop with a 1cd to the wheel? If so what hand is the cutoff for making the raise?

I guess most the equity we are squeezing from BB on his 2cd goes to the better 1cd in this spot but I do know in A5 and 27 it's not as lopsided as this spot would be in badugi.

Is there any value in doing this somewhat light and getting players to possibly check the next street to us?
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07-15-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips
Flop raise is really bad. I would D1 vs a D1 and D2 vs a pat. As played, on turn I would freeze


Agree with this re: d1 vs pat


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07-15-2018 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dboy23
Are we raising this flop with a 1cd to the wheel? If so what hand is the cutoff for making the raise?

I guess most the equity we are squeezing from BB on his 2cd goes to the better 1cd in this spot but I do know in A5 and 27 it's not as lopsided as this spot would be in badugi.

Is there any value in doing this somewhat light and getting players to possibly check the next street to us?
I don't raise any 1 cd draws in this spot. IDK what good players do though.
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07-15-2018 , 06:58 PM
I would think it's okay and maybe even good to raise a very good 1cd. Chopping up the big blind and on a good day maybe even get the SB to break a seven.
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07-15-2018 , 07:21 PM
i feel like raising abcd-ish hands has to be the right play in that spot, right? for reasons above^
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07-15-2018 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dboy23
Are we raising this flop with a 1cd to the wheel? If so what hand is the cutoff for making the raise?

I guess most the equity we are squeezing from BB on his 2cd goes to the better 1cd in this spot but I do know in A5 and 27 it's not as lopsided as this spot would be in badugi.

Is there any value in doing this somewhat light and getting players to possibly check the next street to us?
The big difference between A-5 and 2-7 is that in A-5 you're going to see the top several hands MUCH more often. When you have like 7-draw vs 6-draw your equity is generally worse than with like 8-draw vs 7-draw in 2-7 because there is no interference from straights.

They won't check to you just because you raised. This isn't limit holdem. If you raise drawing and they make a pat they will bet into you.
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07-15-2018 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
i feel like raising abcd-ish hands has to be the right play in that spot, right? for reasons above^


Yeah I think it’s fine to raise your best draw 1s especially if leader will break a 7, and you do have an equity advantage vs described ranges; however I don’t for deception and range construction considerations which I think are compelling enough to pass on a small equity edge in this particular spot.


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07-15-2018 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Yeah I think it’s fine to raise your best draw 1s especially if leader will break a 7, and you do have an equity advantage vs described ranges; however I don’t for deception and range construction considerations which I think are compelling enough to pass on a small equity edge in this particular spot.


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So you are saying i can get away with this strat versus bad players that aren't reading overall ranges. Obv it wasn't good with the hand I used but good to know in general.

Thanks for the responses OTR. I appreciate it. You were my hulhe coach before black friday, good to see you still around.
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07-16-2018 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dboy23
So you are saying i can get away with this strat versus bad players that aren't reading overall ranges. Obv it wasn't good with the hand I used but good to know in general.



Thanks for the responses OTR. I appreciate it. You were my hulhe coach before black friday, good to see you still around.


I remember! Good to see you around!
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