Thanks hoping for something as soon as later this month

Article is in next issue and is on the website now as well for Free viewing

~40 entries for the $240 and 70 for the $140

Thanks, seems like a somewhat like turnout. Would you agree with that? But I don’t know how many would be expected for just regular NLHE or PLO.

I think you may are undervaluing hands like 67. For me 67> T7 and it’s not close based on the wrap around factor. I’ve gotten in 100bb stacks twice so far on A89 and it’s kften met by wtf (sometimes by experienced players but not necessarily short deck). Conversely hands like T7 on 689 your just not gonna be able to ge the same value. Not to mentions we would rather have striahht with A on board than striahht without A on board

Hard to implement subjective things such as guys not recognizing that an ace is a five into a set of power ratings based solely on the frequency and strength of your various straights and straight draws. And even if you could you wouldn’t want to.

This is the baseline, just as GTO play is a baseline. If you feel there are opportunities to exploit then you would adjust appropriately

Oh actually just to add that 76 is inadvertently missing from this list but is in article #3 next month

It has a rating of 13 so it’s ahead of T7 based on pure objective factors anyway

Checking in on this thread. Been playing the micros and some heads up. Happy to help contribute.

What's your methodology here? It seems like T9 should be higher than 98. Note, any straight must contain either a T or a 9, or both. Seems like having two of the 8 key straight cards would be better than having just one. While both make the same number of straights, T9 dominates on 876A boards.

In holdem we have a flop 4x rule and a turn 2x rule to help us estimate our equity when drawing to a particular number of outs. On the flop: 4 x (number of outs) ~ pot equity. On the turn: 2 x (number of outs) ~ pot equity.

In short deck, this translates roughly to a flop 6x rule and a turn 3.3x rule.

And the propokertools approach REALLY doesn't work in the situation where trips beats straights.

Thanks man, I had actually had a spreadsheet error creep in for the T9 hand only. You can read the methodology in the 3rd issue of the series which will be sometime early next month. But it’s based on number of straights and OESD and double belly busters that you flop with an adjustment for non nut straights.

On my scale T9 and 98 will end up with same score but you are right on that one specific board. But if we went further with it and reflected things like that it would only be a small adjustment. Since I need to send in an edit I may add a little note to that effect.

However the main goal of that particular article is indicate the clear distinctions between various hands in regards to setting up a preflop strategy. You are going to play those hands in same manner as they are both strong hands in the game

ScotchOnDaRocks, what do you think about AJo on UTG+1, should we fold, limp or raise this hand on shortdeck with straight beating trips?

Too good to fold, limp or raise is a more complex discussion

Many players play a limp all strategy

Thanks for the reply!

You got it brother, I get pretty detailed on what starting hands to play by position as the series moves along. Just starting with fundamentals first

Would be interested in what everyone thinks of separating the two forms. Just getting into the game and think keeping strategies separate makes it less confusing.

Well Pokerstars has just confused the issue by releasing what they call 6+ holdem, which is actually the ante-version triton holdem. So we're going to be confused no matter what now

it's an easy fold at micro and small stakes when you consider rake and poor multiway playability.

I am not confused because they are specifically discussing the triton version. In that version I believe connectors have more value due to straight beating a set. Here is where the dialogue is important distinguishing the concepts separately. I think the game could be +ev for a while till the donkers finally catch on.
Think I am making sense..... lmao

Not getting 7 to 1 it’s not, just to be clear I only comment assuming ante only straights beat trips variant as all others will be obsolete soon anyway

Also in shortdeck the lines really blur between traditional multi-way and short handed hands. Much easier for AJ to hit broadway or full house and flushes are not often in play

You said you were confused

hi guys,

I've found this thread and liked the discussion so far. At the moment I am learning the game and trying to build a preflop game plan to kick off with it on 6+ on Pokerstars.

There is not much content about this game so far, maybe you like to establish an working group or at least a platform to discuss about the game, building up strategies and content and hand reviewing.

Feel free to join me on discord: https://discord.gg/2PTczvX

Looking forward!

PS: @ScotchOnDaRocks may you send me a link to your articles? Thank you!

I can link later to CardPlayer site but only one article is free and it’s basically just an intro

Have to subscribe to print or online, or get it in a cardroom

True scotch in most areas I am, but I felt I understood this one point