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Old 10-12-2018, 12:30 PM   #1
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5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

PokerStars, 5 Card Draw Limit - $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players
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UTG: $7.20 (72 bb)
MP: $3.08 (31 bb)
CO: $3.47 (35 bb)
BU: $3.91 (39 bb)
SB: $4.70 (47 bb)
BB (Hero): $8.27 (83 bb)

Deal: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 9 9 2 T 2
1 fold, MP raises to $0.20, 3 players fold, Hero calls $0.10

Draw One: ($0.45) 9 9 2 9 2 (2 players)
BB (Hero) draws Ts, MP draws 1
Hero bets $0.20, MP raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $0.60, MP raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.20

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sometimes i 3 bet, fold or call in this spot pre btw, depending on which 2 pair and position. always tricky with medium or low 2 pair to know if you are good or not, and many times in these stakes people do not raise pre with 1 pair, so you have to be careful

with the call pre, i usually check/fold post UI hoping for free showdown unless facing BTN raiser, then i check/call. but against BTN raise, i more likely 3 bet pre, and sometimes bet post to protect my 3 bets with draws, depending on whether or not my opponent has seen me show a 3 bet draw missed bluff.

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Old 10-12-2018, 04:58 PM   #2
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

Raise again. He drew 1 which is usually a flush draw
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Old 10-12-2018, 07:11 PM   #3
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

The problem is if I 3 bet then he can 4 bet, so I can never only get 3 bets in when I am beat! But if I don't make it 3 bets that is losing value.

But then again, whenever he 4bets he is probably full.

I am less inclined to put him on a flush or straight draw pre because he raised from 2nd position, not CO or BTN.

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Old 10-12-2018, 11:47 PM   #4
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

Trying to figure out how to save money with a full house in limit 5cd is not the best strategy
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Old 10-13-2018, 04:12 PM   #5
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

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Trying to figure out how to save money with a full house in limit 5cd is not the best strategy
So he should just go all in?

At some point youíve put in enough action. Villain is overplaying his hand if he has a flush. Mathematically most two pair hands are tens up or better.

This one is probably close if villain goes off like this with any full house but you must beat around 60% of this range because if you are beat more bets go in.

Itís a math problem, one that I donít feel like doing lol

But this might be the appropriate amount of action
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:04 PM   #6
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

is there no cap?
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:27 PM   #7
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is there no cap?
Headsup so Iím assuming no
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:37 PM   #8
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

There is a cap. This is an online hand. 1 bet and 3 raises.

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Old 10-13-2018, 08:16 PM   #9
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

No expert at all here, but I would cap it.
Villain might think that we ourself are overplaying a straight or flush.
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:19 PM   #10
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No expert at all here, but I would cap it.
Villain might think that we ourself are overplaying a straight or flush.
If true, he must have a full house or maybe ace flush (i really discount the flush due to him raising from MP and not CO or BTN) and there are more combos of full houses and quads than the full houses i beat. in other words he should have minimum full house and some people do not raise small two pair. it's cagey down here in these micros!

lets not discount the quads! he could have started with them 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

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Old 10-14-2018, 01:18 AM   #11
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

Oh thereís a cap? What rolled up trips said lol
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Old 10-15-2018, 05:44 AM   #12
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

I get that the opponent probably didn't raise from that position with a flush or straight draw. However if I have 9s full I am not going to worry about quads or bigger full houses unless I have a very clear, reliable read. Don't forget if he had (for example) AA66 he will catch the 6 as often as the A.

Not having huge experience in this game, I guess I might be a bit naive here. The closest experience I have is playing pot limit sviten special, and I see guys overplaying low two pair in that game fairly often: personally I would open fold e.g. 5533x (in sviten) in most situations in early position but some guys are ready to play for 200BB+ stacks with this stuff. It's a different game, with half of the pot going to the best omaha hand, but for me that makes the low 2 pair even less attractive.
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Old 10-15-2018, 07:50 PM   #13
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I get that the opponent probably didn't raise from that position with a flush or straight draw. However if I have 9s full I am not going to worry about quads or bigger full houses unless I have a very clear, reliable read. Don't forget if he had (for example) AA66 he will catch the 6 as often as the A.

Not having huge experience in this game, I guess I might be a bit naive here. The closest experience I have is playing pot limit sviten special, and I see guys overplaying low two pair in that game fairly often: personally I would open fold e.g. 5533x (in sviten) in most situations in early position but some guys are ready to play for 200BB+ stacks with this stuff. It's a different game, with half of the pot going to the best omaha hand, but for me that makes the low 2 pair even less attractive.
In limit 5CD it has to be correct to play 3322 from UTG

Under the assumption that villain is taking this line with any full house itís a pure math problem on how many hero beats

Given that I believe hero cannot get reraised again he probably should just cap as he probably has over 50% of FHs beat but like I said itís pure math
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Old 10-15-2018, 07:54 PM   #14
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

Just to add, letís say there is no cap and we calc that hero can beat 52% of full houses this is not a reason to throw in another bet because when you are beat you will be reraised so your weighted average equity will be less than 50%
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:10 AM   #15
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

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Trying to figure out how to save money with a full house in limit 5cd is not the best strategy
So much this.

Capping AINEC.
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Old 10-16-2018, 03:50 PM   #16
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

Single-draw hi without a bug is a game of Aces. Aces, Aces-up etc. If you can beat all those hands you should put in extra action. If you can beat most of the hands that beat most of those hands you should put in a lot of action, say with an Ace-broadway flush. Any full house in single-draw is a huge hand and I'd go to war with one HU.

You see all kinds of things in the long run, but I wouldn't feel bad about losing a huge pot with Nines full.
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:26 PM   #17
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Re: 5CD - Nines full - 4 BB or 3BB?

Villain probably drew one to disguise his trips anyway.
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:09 AM   #18
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Villain probably drew one to disguise his trips anyway.
Yes he would. Heís also playing any two pair. Pure math if you assume he does this action with any full house or better and nothing less.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:04 PM   #19
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There is a cap. This is an online hand. 1 bet and 3 raises.
Then it is impossible for you to overplay a full house in this spot.
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