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Old 05-15-2008, 09:29 PM   #1
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5CD 7-A anyone ?

Hi,

I play regulary PL5CD but not so mutch tables on. But the 7-A are full....

Has anyone experience with this game ? Is it interesting to play or is it full of good players ? (Playing at Boss Media atm)

Any articles avi ?


Thx in advance,
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:41 PM   #2
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I play regulary PL5CD but not so mutch tables on.
Hi ConZy. The foregoing sentence doesn't make sense to me.

What does "but not so mutch tables on" mean?
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But the 7-A are full....
That doesn't make sense to me either.

What is "7-A"?

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Old 05-15-2008, 09:54 PM   #3
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

Excuse me I'm french so not that good with english.

I mean that there are not many 5CD tables going on, not much people playing it.

And 7-A is a variant of 5CD, its with 32 or 36 cards instead of 52 cards
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:57 PM   #4
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Excuse me I'm french so not that good with english.
Et mon français n'est pas très bon.
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I mean that there are not many 5CD tables going on, not much people playing it.
Got it.
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And 7-A is a variant of 5CD, its with 32 or 36 cards instead of 52 cards
I see. Since you take the deuces, treys, fours, fives, and sixes out of the deck, it's called 7-A. Makes sense.

Does it just have two betting rounds, before and after the draw? (That would make sense too).

I don't have a clue as to what a good hand would be. Seems like you'd generally need a better hand than in regular five card draw. For example, if you were dealt three of a kind, you'd improve to quads with a two card draw 2/27 instead of 2/47. Similarly you'd improve to a full house 36/351 instead of 66/1081. I'm not positive about those numbers, but that's the general idea. And you'd be dealt three of a kind more often.
8*4*28*24/2=10752.
That would be out of 201376 possible starting hands.
So you'd start with trips 10752/201376=~0.0534, or roughly one time out of nineteen, instead of 54912/2598960=0.02112845 or roughly one time out of forty seven.

I'd get that part straight first, all the probabilities of possible hands.

I think people unfamiliar with the game would tend to either over-compensate or under-compensate for this escalation for the worth of hands after the draw. Since I'm completely unfamiliar with the game, I wouldn't have a clue as to how much better you'd want your hand to be at the showdown. If I were you, I'd spend some time dealing out however many hands you expect to be playing against, discarding and drawing as you think wise, and keeping track of what won.

There's obviously a lot more to the game, but perhaps that gives you an idea of where you might start.

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Old 05-16-2008, 02:13 AM   #5
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

Also A6789 gives a straight when 5 players (full table) at the table (36 cards)
and A789T gives a straight when 4 players at the table (32 cards)

It does have 2 betting rounds like regular 5CD


I have worked out the probabilities, they are very different from the regular 5CD. Example: pair has 40% or 45% to become 2pair or better after the draw depending on the deck size.

So the starting hands would be different too. I think minimum AAxxx predraw and low 2pair should be played very cautiously because of the high probability that your opponent improves .

But 2pair has 1/8 to improve in full house.


Last thing thats important: Full < Flush because the probability to have a full is superior than having a flush.



But I wanted to know if some 2+2'ers are playing this game and can give me feedback.



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Old 05-16-2008, 09:05 AM   #6
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

I used to. Its a very sick game. Plus, Boss dont have a cap. Ive lost with AAAA after 15 bets postdraw(lol). Maybe I should have folded at some point or called but the game is real sick.

Small two pairs are unplayable. Straightflushdraws are HUGE. Enormous hands. And two pair has significantly better odds of filling, so aces up can be played a bit harder then in "normal" 5cd(in my opinion atleast).

Been a while since I played this last(I hate Boss client), but Ill look into it again some time maybe.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:46 PM   #7
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

For Buzz - 7-A adds the 6 when the table is 5 handed.

As for the game itself at Boss, it's mainly Turks playing and a lot of them aren't great. The value of your hands post needs to be quite a lot higher than in regular 5 Card Draw. Trips are going to lose very often here, even AAA. And small 2 pair is essentially worthless if you don't fill up, and even then still rather vulnerable. It's a much different game and you will need to invest a lot of time figuring out starting hands at the lower limits (unless you have lots of money to waste) before you will become a good player here.

This game does allow for quite a large possibility for bluffing, assuming you are playing with good players who know the game. Drawing 2 with trips is a normal play here since trips are not a very big hand in this game, so it does provide more opportunities to bluff out 2 pair when you infact are holding AAK. But I wouldn't put too much effort into bluffing at the low limits, I'd try to figure out all the ranges and a decent postdraw game at the low limits without bluffing first.
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:29 AM   #8
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

A-7 is an abomination unto the Lord.

But that said, there is a lot of action across the betting limits for this game on Boss Media.
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:21 PM   #9
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A-7 is an abomination unto the Lord.

But that said, there is a lot of action across the betting limits for this game on Boss Media.
I keep toying with the idea of getting to grips with this game. There are simple too many bad players and too much money floating about. Yet, the purist in me hates the idea of playing A-7 draw. Short deck games are for...short deck game players
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:51 PM   #10
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I'm not too picky where I get my money from. If there's money to be made, make it.
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Old 07-19-2008, 08:58 AM   #11
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I'm not too picky where I get my money from. If there's money to be made, make it.
This game is the easiest money on the net at comparables stakes, AINEC.
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Old 07-19-2008, 09:41 AM   #12
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Hi,

I play regulary PL5CD but not so mutch tables on. But the 7-A are full....

Has anyone experience with this game ? Is it interesting to play or is it full of good players ? (Playing at Boss Media atm)

Any articles avi ?


Thx in advance,
You can check www.poker-academie.com, but maybe you know this community already There is one video iirc of a teacher playing 7-A.

As for regular game, there usually is some action on pokerstars.

Up to which stakes are the 7-A games played on Boss Media ?

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Old 07-19-2008, 02:46 PM   #13
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Up to which stakes are the 7-A games played on Boss Media ?
As I write, there are limit games ranging from $0.10/$0.20 to $10/$20. There is usually action at the $1/$2 and $2/$4 levels.
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:17 PM   #14
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ok, and how about PL ?
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Old 07-19-2008, 11:24 PM   #15
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ok, and how about PL ?
I have only just seen your question. Boss Media is dead at this time so there is only a pot limit E0.12/E0.25 running. I will check it out again for you tomorrow but in regular draw I don't think I have seen anything bigger than pot limit $1/$2. I am a limit player so I do not take such a big interest in the pot limit games and I do not like the idea of A-7 so my interest is even less but I will look for you tomorrow.
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Old 07-20-2008, 05:05 AM   #16
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

alright, thanks Al Mapuri. I recall stopping playing on Boss Media because of the lack of medium stakes tables, but if there are enough of those at 7-A maybe I'll try to learn the game
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Old 07-20-2008, 07:00 AM   #17
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

7-A goes up to 10/20. As I said before, there's no game that yields a better win-rate - NONE!!

I'll say what I've always said on every poker forum - most players these days are nits. Poker doesn't grow from u nits.

Stop looking for 'action' to be magically there for you like some Garden of Eden, and help create it - START A TABLE, SIT DOWN & PLAY SHORTHANDED - THE ACTION WILL COME
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:55 PM   #18
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

Jean,

Boss Media was dead tonight. They only had A-7 pot limit E0.12/E0.25, E0.25 /E0.50 earlier but I just spotted a E0.50/E4. I will check again tomorrow when it should be better. Funny thing about Boss Media is that weekends can be very quiet.

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Old 07-21-2008, 03:31 PM   #19
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Boss Media was dead tonight. They only had A-7 pot limit E0.12/E0.25, E0.25 /E0.50 earlier but I just spotted a E0.50/E4. I will check again tomorrow when it should be better. Funny thing about Boss Media is that weekends can be very quiet.
There is as much traffic as usual on Boss Media but no pot limit A7 above what I have already listed but there are four $1/$2 and two $5/$10 tables of limit A7. If it is for you, I would suggest there is enough limit A7 action.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:01 PM   #20
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Re: 5CD 7-A anyone ?

You should try the Poker Nexus network, preferably through Fatbet-poker. Nice rakeback deals if you can get it and NL a-7 draw with action ranging from NL25 to NL400.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:18 PM   #21
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yeh and they have an overblind at Poker nexus, so that people don't just play rocky - very good game...
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Old 07-25-2008, 05:15 PM   #22
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Also A6789 gives a straight when 5 players (full table) at the table (36 cards) and A789T gives a straight when 4 players at the table (32 cards)
Does Boss Media deal it from 36 cards all the time or does it deal it from 32 cards when there are only four or fewer players at the table? Boss Media has five max tables.
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Old 07-25-2008, 06:48 PM   #23
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Does Boss Media deal it from 36 cards all the time or does it deal it from 32 cards when there are only four or fewer players at the table? Boss Media has five max tables.
36 with 5 players
32 with 4 or less
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Old 07-26-2008, 06:43 AM   #24
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36 with 5 players
32 with 4 or less
So, they get rid of the 7s with four or fewer players?
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:21 AM   #25
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So, they get rid of the 7s with four or fewer players?
Huh Al???

put 6's in for 5 players = 9 ranks = 36 cards

take 6's out with 4 or less = 8 ranks = 32 cards
7's are always there...
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