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05-03-2018 , 08:59 PM

kisada

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Game just went to HU as 3rd guy sat out. No special dynamics. I believe villain is competent reg.

I'm OTB. A5679.

I raise, he 3-bets. I call. I contemplated 4-betting and drawing 1 but honestly really new to this game and not sure how to value a hand like this.

D2 > D2

A5688

He bets, I call

D1 > D2

A256T

He bets, I raise, hoping to provide myself some options. I'm hoping I can make him break something. D1 and bet all rivers if he breaks.

Would appreciate any comments, thanks!

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05-04-2018 , 01:12 AM

ScotchOnDaRocks

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I probably would have capped D1 and then end up snowing the turn with this hand.

As played I would just call the turn. Would you have called a reraise? Maybe you are drawing dead maybe you aren’t so it’s better to do it with with a worse draw underneath so you can safely fold. If you call and he’s D1 you can pat this hand. It’s usually better %wise than drawing. It’s close though because your draw underneath is kind of middling.

Lastly if he draws I don’t see why you would bet the river. If he’s playing anything resembling GTO he will call with better or fold otherwise

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05-06-2018 , 04:23 PM

Hero Value

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Man that would be a really bad snow with A5688.

Why on earth would you "bet all rivers if he breaks"? That would be very bad. You have showdown value with a T if your plan is to pat that (which it shouldn't be anyway) so you should just check it behind if you pat it.
You should just call the turn and draw 1.

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05-06-2018 , 05:46 PM

ScotchOnDaRocks

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Originally Posted by Hero Value

Man that would be a really bad snow with A5688.

I’m pretty sure you misinterpreted my post if you thought I was snowing A5688

I’m drawing 1 to A567 predraw and my plan for the hand going in with it is to snow on turn unimproved

If you thought kisada said he was I don’t think he did

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05-06-2018 , 05:51 PM

ScotchOnDaRocks

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Originally Posted by Hero Value

In most cases though you do better hot/cold by keeping the T. Just saying so think we maybe need to think about the underlying draw that we have. This one is close to me

Breaking a nine would be a big mistake though

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05-06-2018 , 09:50 PM

monikrazy

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4! Pre and draw 1

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05-06-2018 , 09:59 PM

Hero Value

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Ok and I still think that snowing A567 there would be pretty bad.

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Breaking a nine would be a big mistake though

Yeah, that's not what I said.

And I was saying that a Ten is too strong to snow vs 1, or bet it on the river vs a draw.
But regarding hot/cold, we aren't all in on the turn though.

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05-06-2018 , 10:35 PM

ScotchOnDaRocks

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Ok and I still think that snowing A567 there would be pretty bad.

Yeah, that's not what I said.

And I was saying that a Ten is too strong to snow vs 1, or bet it on the river vs a draw.
But regarding hot/cold, we aren't all in on the turn though.

Explain why bad? Have you ever modeled it out? I find it does about a big bet better than just checking back and taking a 1/1.

Comment about the nine was just for the general population, just an FYI

But oh well, forum has gotten a lil’ testy lately, probably a good time to ride into the sunset!

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05-06-2018 , 11:34 PM

NedSchneebly

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I'm new to this game and feel that even after a few thousand hands dealt of it I would still feel like a noob but...

I would prob 4! and D1 once SB drew 2 but D2 if he drew 1. I would consider a snow on 2nd draw if I paired the 6 or 7 and Villain is still D2

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05-07-2018 , 09:27 AM

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ScotchOnDaRocks

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A snow on the turn with A567 with a pair or if you have seen a pair or two along the way is what I consider to be the best pay even when they are D1.

First reason is you are towards the bottom of your D1 range when you cap pre.

Then on turn when he checks (and draws) by my calculations snowing both improves your win % and collects an extra bet when compared to checking and taking the 1/1.

Probably my last post in awhile, maybe I’ll see some of you gents at the WSOP. Not sure if I’m going yet as I’m very busy with a business ventures but I always love it...

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05-07-2018 , 06:36 PM

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RolldUpTrips

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks

Snowing often, upon first glance, seems to do MUCH better than drawing. The problem is that you'll now be snowing such a high frequency that his call range will drastically widen and these blizzards will cease to be profitable.

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05-07-2018 , 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips

True but here I indicated that I was at the bottom of my range and that was one of the reasons I was snowing thus there shouldn’t be a problem.

Back to retirement

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