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12-13-2007 , 07:07 PM

Crouchy89

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Can anyone recommend a good book covering intermediate/advanced principals of 5CD, would be useful to have them all in one place,

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12-14-2007 , 01:31 PM

soulvamp

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I don't think a book on 5CD exists. The best source is probably the numerous Weisenberg columns in the cardplayer.com archives.

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12-14-2007 , 03:07 PM

Idolatrous

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Uhhh Supersystem..

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12-14-2007 , 07:21 PM

Al Mirpuri

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Originally Posted by soulvamp

I don't think a book on 5CD exists. The best source is probably the numerous Weisenberg columns in the cardplayer.com archives.

Mason Malmuth wrote Winning Concepts In Draw And Lowball which uses California Draw (Draw with the Bug - a joker that acts as an Ace or as a flushing/straightening card in a straight or flush). Winning Poker Systems by Norman Zadeh is good: the draw is without the Bug but it is eight-handed. Please note: Winning Poker Systems is the first great poker book to be written, way back in 1974.

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12-15-2007 , 01:58 AM

soulvamp

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Originally Posted by Idolatrous

Uhhh Supersystem..

The 5CD that Caro writes about in Super System is not the same variant that can be played online today, which is what I assume OP is interested in.

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12-15-2007 , 02:15 AM

Phat Mack

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Winning Poker Systems by Norman Zadeh is good: the draw is without the Bug but it is eight-handed.

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Please note: Winning Poker Systems is the first great poker book to be written, way back in 1974.

I wouldn't go that far; Morehead and Roddy preceded him. Zadeh was certainly a pioneer, however.

Also of interest, but difficult to find, is Nesmith Ankeney's Poker Strategy: Winning with Game Theory. I can't remember if uses fixed limit or pot limit examples. I've never read MM's book.

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12-15-2007 , 09:32 AM

Al Mirpuri

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Hi PhatMack,

Who is this Roddy to whom you refer?

Yes, Morehead is good. I may have underestimated his worth but it has been sometime since I read him.

Another candidate for the first great poker book would be Oswald Jacoby's On Poker which was published in the 1940s if my memory does not betray me.

Yours,

Al Mirpuri

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12-15-2007 , 09:37 AM

Al Mirpuri

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Originally Posted by Phat Mack

Also of interest, but difficult to find, is Nesmith Ankeney's Poker Strategy: Winning with Game Theory. I can't remember if uses fixed limit or pot limit examples. I've never read MM's book.

Hi PhatMack,

Mason's book is definitely worth a read for the draw principles that can be extrapolated from it. Also, Mason announced Two Plus Two would stop printing copies of it. I do not know if this has come into effect yet.

Nesmith Ankeney [Ankeny?]'s book is about pot limit draw so I would imagine the examples are pot limit. It has to be said I have not read this book but the fact that it is about pot limit is in the public realm.

Yours,

Al Mirpuri.

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12-15-2007 , 12:49 PM

Phat Mack

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Who is this Roddy to whom you refer?

Hi Al,

Irv Roddy was the pen name of a government statistician named Irving Rottenberg (or maybe it was Roddenberg) who wrote Friday Night Poker - Or Penny Poker for Millions in 1961. It's about the dealer's-choice home games of the era. I consider it a classic, but my opinion may be uniquely held.

I see this book quite often in used book stores for a couple of bucks. Amusingly illustrated. Great discussion of 5-card draw hi-lo with three twists (shucks or draws). Excellent discussion of need to show action in home games, with illustrative example of how to do so in 7 stud, along with comparison to Yardley and others.

You'd like this book, but it's not for the general twoplustwoer.

Regards,

Mack

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12-15-2007 , 03:09 PM

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Al Mirpuri

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PhatMack,

Thanks, I will look out for this.

Regards,

Al Mirpuri

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12-15-2007 , 05:43 PM

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Crouchy89

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thanks for the replies, and the ensuing discussion!

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12-19-2007 , 09:38 PM

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Ben Young

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I second this recommendation. In fact, this book should be read by all fixed-limit poker players. Not a book to be browsed, it requires some effort from the reader.

The last time I was at the Gambler's Book Shop in Vegas, they still had copies.

http://www.gamblersbook.com/weblink....il/472501.html

I wouldn't go that far; Morehead and Roddy preceded him. Zadeh was certainly a pioneer, however.

Also of interest, but difficult to find, is Nesmith Ankeney's Poker Strategy: Winning with Game Theory. I can't remember if uses fixed limit or pot limit examples. I've never read MM's book.

I have Nesmith's book, but from a cursory glance it didn't seem that good. Maybe I should read it again

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12-19-2007 , 11:17 PM

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Al Mirpuri

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Originally Posted by Ben Young

I have Nesmith's book, but from a cursory glance it didn't seem that good. Maybe I should read it again

This is one of the few books that Mason Malmuth has reviewed and to which he has given a 10/10 score.

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12-20-2007 , 01:50 PM

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Phat Mack

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Originally Posted by Al Mirpuri

This is one of the few books that Mason Malmuth has reviewed and to which he has given a 10/10 score.

I want to point out that this book is about game theory as it applies to poker. It uses draw poker for its examples, much in the same way that some modern writers use toy 1.0 games for examples. If one is interested in game theory, this book is the nutz, but if one wants a draw primer, it is probably unsuitable for that purpose.

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12-20-2007 , 03:08 PM

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bigpooch

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Ankeny's book is the best for PL draw and gives you the right concepts to
think about and it's okay if you have played some draw.

Other books that are worthwhile to get are Zadeh's and Malmuth's for limit
draw (just keep in mind that Malmuth's book is for draw with a "bug").

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