But yeah I think it’s important to make people think you just misread your hand. Some like to look smart and sophisticated at the poker table, I find that being a drinking fool is more profitable

It works in reverse too, if you suspect a snow and call with a good tri you can also pretend like you thought you had a badugi, “but oh I win anyway”

Prob referring to your perceptions of how villains play these split-pot draw lowball games. I think you're overestimating FE post-draw in these games. Snowing rarely works, as these are by far the most showdown-bound draw games. Like otr posted, even if you pat after 2nd draw and villain is UI, he will often rightly put you on an A-5 hand and call/D2 to try to make a badugi for the chop and/or bink for the scoop every now and then. And that's w 345xx, which is prob the bottom third of his pre draw range.

Betting UI tris OOP (or in position) will cost you money in Ba/Bd against thinking players. Way too easy for villains to improve to nutty one way hands or decent two way hands (both of which can raise after it goes 2:2 if they know your betting range consists of UI hands) and you'll just get punished for bloating the pot without enough value.

As played, the river is a bet. You are a decent favorite to have the best A-5 and you scoop the (A35)9T type hands that will always call. Don't expect any badugi to fold though.

I also appreciate your articles and the promotion of some funky games.

Yeah that’s probably it, but I think in this particular situation I think we would both be making bad calls. Do you call with 345 here? Would you check/call A26?

I wanted to gather some opinions about calling/ raising ranges, figure out mathematical probabilities of attaining these hands, and compare to price we have for stealing and make observations.

OOP unimproved I hardly ever consider betting unless I hit pair cards all of my draws. I don’t think I’ve ever snowed in these games. I agree with all of that.

On river the more I think about it the more I feel I have a check/call. Even if I’m equally likely to scoop as opposed to being scooped I’m paying two bets usually when scooped and only gained when I scoop. But I think I’m scooped more often.

Thanks, I’m glad people enjoy the articles. I do hope they bring new people to the games.

lol these jokes are why I am loving badugi. I'm gonna try to start a thread if you don't mind taking questions on the series. thanks!

I’m still thinking about this hand, many seem to be drawing parallels to regular 2-7 2/2 spots when thinking about this hand.

But to me there are a few key differences.

1. Pot is typically bigger because in 2-7 players often call with two card draws but in split pot games they are more often reraised. Not all of the time but now more often.

2. Snowing is much less effective. In 2-7 you can take advantage of a player betting with wild abandon in a 2/2 by not only holding back good hands but also c/r patting as a bluff sometimes. In the split pot games that loses much of its allure because a player might already be sitting on a tri they will bring to showdown.

3. Player in position appears to have a wildly profitable bet even if he knows OOP is checking all of his hands and he will get c/r. Pot odds dictate that the OOP will not make hands often enough and only around 4% will they be bone crushers both ways.

4. Player OOP has more of an incentive to bet improvement. You may have a pretty strong hand one way but still want your opponent to fold. If you bet out they may just fold, but if you c/r they are getting greater odds and feel priced in now. And if they don’t fold to the original bet that’s ok because presumably you have an equity advantage. Player OOP still can hold some hands back though, maybe the bonecrushers both ways to c/r and then some marginal hands to c/c. Your leading range still contains hands like A234 and (A34)26 so there is still strength.